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General election 2024

National Service if Tories are re-elected

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MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/05/2024 22:13

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Samlewis96 · 26/05/2024 08:05

Paul2023 · 25/05/2024 22:46

National service was stopped
in 1963 I think. So that was over 60 years ago. Anyone that ever did National service would be 80 or over.

I dare say most advocates for National service are Daily Mail readers who’ve never even done it themselves

My dad I think was one of the last to do it. He was born in 1939

PurplelorryGreenlorry · 26/05/2024 08:05

The workhouse or the death penalty is definitely next.

notimagain · 26/05/2024 08:05

Large scale NS for military won’t work unless HMG are prepared to spend a shedload of money.

Currently there won’t be many if any places to put and train a very large number of new recruits - lots of MOD real estate has been sold off in the last 30-40 years.

Forces training numbers/training systems have been gutted in last 30/40 years…will take years to ramp up again.

Skills needed these days by many in front line roles would take more than a year to accrue.

BTW I suspect ideas being thrown out there like NS would allow people to train to be become a Cyber Jedi are just thrown in to appeal to the gamers and those who don’t like the idea of loud nasty guns - “oh it’s OK they are only going to do cyber”..🙄

Some form of civilian service, maybe not worse idea in the world but I suspect there would be similar problems to the above- it would cost to do it properly.

WoshPank · 26/05/2024 08:05

LanternL1ght5 · 26/05/2024 08:00

I think the word mandatory kind of indicates it wouldn’t be that easy to get out of.

Thinking about the practicalities, how do you imagine it would be enforced? Remember, there are backlogs of years in the criminal courts already. And nothing works at the moment!

LakeTiticaca · 26/05/2024 08:06

Some youngsters could do with some proper discipline tbh. They ain't getting it from the parents!!

CurlewKate · 26/05/2024 08:06

Tell me you know you're not going to win the election without saying you're not going to win the election....

Samlewis96 · 26/05/2024 08:07

Relaxd · 26/05/2024 02:49

Some people seem to be confusing National Service with Community service. National service is joining the military. In the current world setting I’m both surprised this would be popular with voters when they consider their own kids, and also not surprised that it may be something that continues to be aired given reported military capacity should things really get worse - whatever the elected party.

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Why? What is wrong with the military anyway? My DD spent a number of years first in ATC then RAF .

LanternL1ght5 · 26/05/2024 08:07

Blackhorse32 · 26/05/2024 08:03

How is this being funded? Presumably the 18 years old will be paid if doing the army option? Where are they going to be based - is there lots of surplus army accommodation? Is it just for those turning 18 that year or will the those 19 plus be exempt?

the weekend volunteering - what happens if they have a job that involves weekend work? If they are at uni, do they have to go home and do it or is it done in their uni town? Does this mean uni towns will have loads of volunteers - what will they do with them all?

What about the weekend jobs many will have? How will fairness be sorted so it doesn’t have a detrimental impact on some whilst others have support to gain advantage from it?

Some uni courses are hugely intensive and weekends are needed, some students desperately need the money they earn at the weekends….

cakeorwine · 26/05/2024 08:07

"The plan to reintroduce National Service was drawn up in secret, with only Mr Sunak's close advisers – understood to include former Tory leader William Hague – privy to the details.
In their confidential 40-page plan, the advisers argued that the growing international threats posed by countries such as Russia and China needed to be addressed by beefing up our Armed Forces – as did the listlessness of many young adults

Nearly 750,000 18 to 24-year-olds are currently out of work, and this age group is disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system.
The civic roles would include supporting flood defences and communities during natural disasters, NHS support roles, fire safety work, or signing up for the RNLI or mountain search and rescue."

And from the article:

"To those who complain that making it mandatory is unreasonable, I say: citizenship brings with it obligations as well as rights. Being British is about more than just the queue you join at passport control.

To be clear, our new National Service is not conscription. The vast majority of those who do it will not serve in our Armed Forces. Only those who choose to, and come through the tough entrance tests, will do that.

But what everyone will do is contribute to our country. From first aid to helping the housebound and lonely, to search and rescue, every 18-year-old will learn new skills while simultaneously contributing to our society."

Tiptoptum · 26/05/2024 08:07

Still we are not discussing, as I said earlier, the “non criminal sanctions” if they don’t do it.

Thats cuts to UC or a pause in Uni grants, or a fine. It will be aimed to force the poor to do it, because they can’t take the hit.

TheFirmBiscuit · 26/05/2024 08:07

WoshPank · 26/05/2024 08:03

You first then. If it's that good an idea, it'll be worth your while too.

These older folks who are so in support they can make a cohort of unpaid volunteers who do one day a week (flexible) helping out with the admin and if they refuse they will have sanctions on their retirement pension in equal amounts to their non compliance. Share the love around.

Alexandra2001 · 26/05/2024 08:08

LakeTiticaca · 26/05/2024 08:06

Some youngsters could do with some proper discipline tbh. They ain't getting it from the parents!!

As could plenty of older adults.

700,000 18yo's but just 30,000 military places plus a Royal Commission to set this up..... so it will never happen.

GuinnessBird · 26/05/2024 08:09

He's living in cuckoo land.

Ficklebricks · 26/05/2024 08:09

I'd like to see Rishi doing a year in the military to set the example. Preferably in one of the most dangerous warzones we can put him in. 🙄

CroftonWillow · 26/05/2024 08:09

The fact it's in place in Israel shows it can be done and i can see some merits but I highly suspect our government will make another dog's dinner of implementing it.

Blackhorse32 · 26/05/2024 08:09

LanternL1ght5 · 26/05/2024 08:07

What about the weekend jobs many will have? How will fairness be sorted so it doesn’t have a detrimental impact on some whilst others have support to gain advantage from it?

Some uni courses are hugely intensive and weekends are needed, some students desperately need the money they earn at the weekends….

Very true- I missed out those who need to work weekends to afford university or with intensive courses and placements.

Workasateamanddoitmyway · 26/05/2024 08:09

Abi86 · 26/05/2024 08:04

Lots of keyboard warriors here supporting the notion of National Service. I’m guessing very few of them have ever dug a gun pit in the rain and cold, put up with four hours sleep a day or been screamed at for not "putting in". Anyway - let’s hope your soft kids enjoy the journey.

My kids get that every day from me. The dishwasher does not load itself!!

Seriously though..if thats all they have to do then I'm sure they will get through it.

SeriaMau · 26/05/2024 08:09

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/05/2024 22:35

National Service😂

Hes really scraping the barrel isn’t he? Who wants that shit for their kids?

Not Tory MPs for sure. There will no doubt be exemptions for 18-yos doing important roles as interns for big banks.

LanternL1ght5 · 26/05/2024 08:10

TheFirmBiscuit · 26/05/2024 08:07

These older folks who are so in support they can make a cohort of unpaid volunteers who do one day a week (flexible) helping out with the admin and if they refuse they will have sanctions on their retirement pension in equal amounts to their non compliance. Share the love around.

The older boomer generation which has been the most pampered generation and never had to cope with half our young people do. How many of you did National Service?

Anneofa1000days · 26/05/2024 08:10

To be honest to some ears, I think if Rishi said he would ģive every household a million pounds each, he would still be knocked.

echt · 26/05/2024 08:10

TheFirmBiscuit · 26/05/2024 08:07

These older folks who are so in support they can make a cohort of unpaid volunteers who do one day a week (flexible) helping out with the admin and if they refuse they will have sanctions on their retirement pension in equal amounts to their non compliance. Share the love around.

Who are these "older folk " of whom you speak?

How about anyone in support of it should support it with volunteer work?

TheFirmBiscuit · 26/05/2024 08:11

SeriaMau · 26/05/2024 08:09

Not Tory MPs for sure. There will no doubt be exemptions for 18-yos doing important roles as interns for big banks.

No economy , no khaki - essential services you see.

Blahdymcblahdyface · 26/05/2024 08:11

He clearly means to lose

SpentAll · 26/05/2024 08:11

G123456789 · 25/05/2024 22:57

Whilst I agree with you on principle get over the boomers bullshit.

Let's look at me and my pier group shall we 242 kids sat in my school hall in 1980 aged 11. One of the. That's one, less than 0.5% went to university at 18...how many of your school year went.

When we left school it was a yts. A youth training scheme at £25 per week or nothing if you couldn't find a job. It was 1985, the factory/docks/industrial jobs my Labour controlled education trained us for had gone. There were warehouse jobs, shops and if you were lucky to have got the rather harder than today's a levels (and was told that in 2002 by the head of my 6th form unsolicited, that a levels were a lot easier than when I sat them) an office job.

Whilst grants were available for uni, they didn't meet everything for most people so the working class didn't go to uni. The traditional universities didn't pick state schools so you had to go to.a poly..
There was no acknowledgment of most kids who needed special needs education. They sat at the back of the class to avoid the cane.

If your face didn't fit with the union, you didn't work many industries. The unions shut down British industry at times during the 1970s, so thousands went unpaid. Strikes were common so you often were not working and not being paid. On one day British Leyland had 300 separate industrial disputes.

My first mortgage was part subsidised because my wife worked for a bank...that was at 8% the rest was at 15%.

So please don't think it was fucking easy being a boomer

Same era, did the YTS @ £25 pw, no uni for me. Worked my way up, got a mortgage with £2500 deposit I saved over a couple of years, bought and sold a couple of houses and ended up with £120,000 profit after a few years.

Can’t do that now. So yeah, compared to today’s youth, I consider I had it easy.

WoshPank · 26/05/2024 08:12

TheFirmBiscuit · 26/05/2024 08:07

These older folks who are so in support they can make a cohort of unpaid volunteers who do one day a week (flexible) helping out with the admin and if they refuse they will have sanctions on their retirement pension in equal amounts to their non compliance. Share the love around.

Superb idea!

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