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General election 2024

What do you want out of the new government?

160 replies

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 16:21

Whoever they are.

I want -

A better management and investment in key areas of the NHS

Cheaper utilities

More money for disabled people and their families

More tax on those earning over a certain %, so maybe those on £100k plus being taxed a bit further

Cheaper railways being introduced

Better investment in local facilities

Please share yours Smile I voted Labour last time and will do so again. The Tories just need to be gone, and I'm not convinced those with any sense will say otherwise

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Badbadbunny · 25/05/2024 20:25

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 19:58

This would destroy the pension system, absolutely dreadful suggestion.

We need state pensions, which is the only universal benefit anyway.

Child Benefit should never have been changed.

Not if means testing was based on say income of £50k which would only hit a minority of pensioners who don’t need state pension, etc.

SiriAlexa · 25/05/2024 20:27

Require water companies to stop dumping sewage into lakes and rivers and acquire those that fail to do so.

Tax incentives for having private healthcare and paying school fees, to incentivise taking the burden off the state.

Be honest with the public about the NHS and its limitations, streamline the services it offers and allow the private sector do more. Put in place a cross party committee to consider how the NHS can be made workable for the future, including considering a European style insurance system.

A plan for growth, especially building on our tech skills and the green economy. Reduce dependence on fossil fuels, especially those imported from less stable regions.

A plan to pay teachers properly. They do not need a 20 per cent pension contribution but they do need more competitive salaries.

Higher pay for care workers and real attention on how the care sector can be improved.

Introduce laws to close tax loopholes which allow US tech companies like Meta, Uber, etc, and multinationals like Amazon to pay very little tax in the UK.

Invest more in the justice system and bodies such as the SFO to help recover the billions in fraud that the UK loses each year.

Amiable · 25/05/2024 20:27

I would love:
An overhaul of the education system
Better management of the NHS

But realistically I'll settle for more honesty, and less shit behaviour

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 20:27

the quality of the public has absolutely nosedived. They’re lazy, entitled, unhealthy, weak and unintelligent. You really shouldn't judge others against your own standards!

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 25/05/2024 20:30

Badbadbunny · 25/05/2024 20:25

Not if means testing was based on say income of £50k which would only hit a minority of pensioners who don’t need state pension, etc.

It would destroy support for the system as a whole.

This is a right-wing tactic, downgrade universal to means-tested, then whittle it down to a lower and lower level.

Personally, I would like to receive a state pension. If you don't want yours, donate it to somewhere else or return it.

katmarie · 25/05/2024 20:34

Back to basics. Investment in education at all levels, and a commitment to raising the standards of the buildings and environments we teach our kids in. Investing in training teachers, paying them a decent wage, and empowering them to teach.

The same for the NHS, and for social care. We also need a serious investment and overhaul in adult social care.

Huge work to improve the offering to those who need mental health care, whether adults or children. Quicker access for families to SEND provision, assessment, and support. More adult mental health support, and quicker access to it.

There are more things, improving housing, and reducing the cost of that, improving employment rights such as rolling back some of the employment rights changes the tories made, investment in transport infrastructure etc etc. but those three are high on my list.

CoffeeShopDog · 25/05/2024 20:41

More tax on those earning over a certain %, so maybe those on £100k plus being taxed a bit further

Someone on £125k will be paying £43k in tax. How much more would you like them to pay? Do you really not think that’s enough of their salary?

Echobelly · 25/05/2024 20:42

I'd like:

  • Recognition and response to our real problems, not the ones the Tories made up - these real problems are climate change, an aging demographic and AI and technology's fundamental impact on work and employment
  • As others have said, some competence would be nice
  • An end to performative cruelty like the Bibby Stockholm and benefit cuts - they are simply cruelty for the sake of appearing to do something, and do no save any money
  • A government that works out how we can benefit from migration rather than stopping it - we need people to come here
  • More social housing - yes, it's very expensive to set up but in the longer term it is a societal good through giving people stability and better mental and physical health
  • Trans people to be left alone by politicians. 0.1% of the population should never be an electoral issue. Leave trans healthcare to healthcare professionals, not newspaper columnists.
scalt · 25/05/2024 20:48

I want the government to help young people. They have been seriously let down over the last few years. Zero hours contract, uni debts, housing problems and the realisation that they will be working until they drop dead!
And lockdowns. Children, teenagers and young adults were seriously and disproportionately thrown under the bus by the government's cruel, inhumane, and unnecessarily prolonged lockdowns and school closures. There needs to be recognition of how badly they hurt young people. This is a hill I will die on.

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 20:53

AllIWantIsACuppa · 25/05/2024 20:13

DH is on just over £100000 and already pays enough tax thanks. He works bloody hard and only gets to keep about two thirds of that salary.

I wouldn't be so bothered except we get nothing in return for it. Can't get a dentist or a GP appointment. My kids' school has to beg parents for donations to pay for resources. The roads are full of holes.

You can't keep squeezing middle and high earners to fund pensioners and other welfare recipients and offer nothing in return. People like my DH will just go elsewhere or reduce hours / salary sacrifice to pay less tax.

He works bloody hard? Lots of people do but aren't on anything near 100k. I'm not sure how that in itself is relevant

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notanotherrokabag · 25/05/2024 20:58

Between £100 and £120k you pay 60% tax. How much would you like to increase that to?

DustyLee123 · 25/05/2024 21:00

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 18:28

I don't think defining what a woman is, is a realistic main attraction sadly

As about half of the population is female, so i’d hope all politicians take this seriously.

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:04

CoffeeShopDog · 25/05/2024 20:41

More tax on those earning over a certain %, so maybe those on £100k plus being taxed a bit further

Someone on £125k will be paying £43k in tax. How much more would you like them to pay? Do you really not think that’s enough of their salary?

That's over £85k left over

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chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:08

notanotherrokabag · 25/05/2024 20:58

Between £100 and £120k you pay 60% tax. How much would you like to increase that to?

Even a small increase of 5% would surely be really beneficial to those that need it most? So a further taxation of about 5k

It just seems sensible to fund things properly

The richest % surely need to be paying more too. Not those on the 100k salaries but those with eye watering sums of £400k. That type of amount needs taxing properly and currently isn't, really

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notanotherrokabag · 25/05/2024 21:08

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:04

That's over £85k left over

And they're maybe a surgeon, taking responsibility for someone's life every day. Does that not warrant that money?

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:10

@notanotherrokabag yes, which is why there's no straight forward answer

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CoffeeShopDog · 25/05/2024 21:11

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:04

That's over £85k left over

Its a little less actually.

By the time they’ve paid NI, it’ll be nearer to £50k that they’re paying.

My question is, if you want them to pay more if they earns over £100k, how much more. Between £100k and £125k they pay 60%. tax die to loss of personal allowance.

So how much more?

WhatDoIDoPeople · 25/05/2024 21:14

European style health insurance. Worst of both worlds at the moment with unavailable GP services and gate keeping of private medical insurance through GP referral. If I’m going to be paying more tax (we all will be), at least need to feel that it’s worthwhile.

Inherited wealth to be taxed fairly. Focus is on earned income which is rubbish if you need to build assets through earnings as you ‘ll inherit nothing. Galling to watch people helped out by the bank of mum and dad, work part time hours and be able to take lower income jobs as they don’t need to make their own way in the world, but as someone who has nothing, need to focus on higher income roles which then attract a higher tax rate.

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/05/2024 21:16

Competence, healing and growth.

thisraincangetfucked · 25/05/2024 21:25

I want them to get the nhs back to some kind of reasonably functioning state (will take a miracle)

I want them to make sure trans propaganda isn't allowed to be taught in schools as fact, and ensure self ID doesn't take off, by the back door or otherwise.

I'd like them to sort out public transport and make it efficient and affordable so we don't have to rely on cars so much.

Rejoin the EU.

anicecuppateaa · 25/05/2024 21:34

chillymorns · 25/05/2024 21:08

Even a small increase of 5% would surely be really beneficial to those that need it most? So a further taxation of about 5k

It just seems sensible to fund things properly

The richest % surely need to be paying more too. Not those on the 100k salaries but those with eye watering sums of £400k. That type of amount needs taxing properly and currently isn't, really

Ridiculous suggestion once again that those on 100k can and should subsidise even further. As is said so often, 100k really doesn’t go very far in London and ‘normal’ families fall into this bracket. When labour get in and penalise middle earners even further we will both drop hours at work to not be taxed even more. Between 100-125k the tax rate is 60%.

Perhaps a wealth tax would be better, or means testing other benefits.

I would like to see more support for NHS workers and teachers.

Hedgeoffressian · 25/05/2024 21:36

Investment in our armed forces. We are very vulnerable at the moment. Investment in infrastructure and industry. Bring back steel making to the UK. A big clampdown on migration. It should be for the benefit of the country. Follow Australia’s lead. We don’t need thousands of Ubereats drivers. Nationalisation of rail and utilities. Reopen the north sea oil pipeline. A ban of gender ideology being taught in our schools. Protection of women only safe-spaces. No introduction of pay-per mile for drivers which is one thing I am convinced Labour will do.

Cattenberg · 25/05/2024 22:08

Increase NHS funding to the same amount per capita as France or Germany.

Investigate incidences of corruption such as the PPE scandal, with the aim of seeking criminal charges against those responsible.

Scrap Ofsted and replace it with a system of continual and constructive monitoring based on peer review. Ofsted isn’t just adversarial and punitive, it’s very hit and miss. If a school has an outstanding rating, any subsequent issues which arise may not be noticed for as long as 13 years!

Tax people on their income according to a progressive curve, not a series of cliff edges. The current system reduces productivity.

Don’t water down the Equality Act by obfuscating the protected characteristic of Sex until it becomes meaningless. Gender Reassignment is already a protected characteristic, as it should be.

Reassess carbon emissions targets. The UK needs to be aiming for net zero much sooner than 2050.

Clean up our rivers and beaches.

TheHornedOne · 25/05/2024 23:01

If someone is on £100k then they don’t have many brain cells if they don’t put half of it into their pension to avoid income tax (get 40% tax relief). Then when they retire they take it out at £50k a year and only pay 20% income tax.

They put £50k into their pension, government gives them £10k (20%) back as a tax relief rebate and adds a further £10k (20%) to the penson pot. They swap £40k in hand for £60k in their pension so when they take it out of their pension even if they pay 20% tax they are £8k up and have had that extra 20% in their pension building wealth for them. But it’s basically like being given a free second or third house as that £10k tax relief per year for 20 years growing at stock market growth levels becomes a heck of a lot of money (£650k).

That’s why labour potentially bringing back the LTA is causing so much anger. When someone has been on the gravy train they don’t like being kicked off it.

So no, most educated people on £100k do not in the end pay much more than 20% income tax. If they are sensible and use their pension allowances then over the long-term they pay far less tax than the people at the bottom of the ladder if you include their pension growth that has been provided by the tax relief. This is how those at the top keep the game rigged so they keep getting richer and keep their pensions outside of inheritance tax too so they can pass it down the line tax-free if they die before they are 75!

The government should keep the LTA abolished but reduce the maximum annual pension contributions to £12k and make that universal so nothing to do with how much you earn to simplify it.

The whole tax system needs simplifying, like the nonsense between £100k and £125k. Just make everything over £50k 40% income tax, set the personal allowance to a straight £12k and make the state pension headline rate = the personal allowance.

With pensions, the government should start personal pension plans for every person when they are born and contribute to these as they start to remove the state pension. Basically use maths or more specifically, compound interest (“the eighth wonder of the world”), to better the public; but no UK government is ever thinking long-term nowadays.

notanotherrokabag · 25/05/2024 23:07

TheHornedOne · 25/05/2024 23:01

If someone is on £100k then they don’t have many brain cells if they don’t put half of it into their pension to avoid income tax (get 40% tax relief). Then when they retire they take it out at £50k a year and only pay 20% income tax.

They put £50k into their pension, government gives them £10k (20%) back as a tax relief rebate and adds a further £10k (20%) to the penson pot. They swap £40k in hand for £60k in their pension so when they take it out of their pension even if they pay 20% tax they are £8k up and have had that extra 20% in their pension building wealth for them. But it’s basically like being given a free second or third house as that £10k tax relief per year for 20 years growing at stock market growth levels becomes a heck of a lot of money (£650k).

That’s why labour potentially bringing back the LTA is causing so much anger. When someone has been on the gravy train they don’t like being kicked off it.

So no, most educated people on £100k do not in the end pay much more than 20% income tax. If they are sensible and use their pension allowances then over the long-term they pay far less tax than the people at the bottom of the ladder if you include their pension growth that has been provided by the tax relief. This is how those at the top keep the game rigged so they keep getting richer and keep their pensions outside of inheritance tax too so they can pass it down the line tax-free if they die before they are 75!

The government should keep the LTA abolished but reduce the maximum annual pension contributions to £12k and make that universal so nothing to do with how much you earn to simplify it.

The whole tax system needs simplifying, like the nonsense between £100k and £125k. Just make everything over £50k 40% income tax, set the personal allowance to a straight £12k and make the state pension headline rate = the personal allowance.

With pensions, the government should start personal pension plans for every person when they are born and contribute to these as they start to remove the state pension. Basically use maths or more specifically, compound interest (“the eighth wonder of the world”), to better the public; but no UK government is ever thinking long-term nowadays.

Those in e.g. the NHS can't change the amount that they put into their pension.

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