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To think the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian, hell-scape if Labour win?

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Fiftypencepiece · 24/05/2024 13:02

AIBU to be worried that within 2-3 years of a Labour victory, the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian hell-scape?

Kier Starmer seems like a mad, leftist radical to me. It starts with VAT on school fees but where does it end???

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Anyone else?

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BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 18:41

NamechangeForthisquestion1 · 30/05/2024 17:20

I'm sorry, did someone say they're predicting a conservative win..?? 😳

Yes. Sad isn’t it?

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 18:52

@Polishedshoesalways Most families didn’t expect the double whammy of COL and mortgage hikes and now 20% of VAT on school fees as well. I think you are the silly one if you think every family with DC in PS can afford this. Look at the published figures today 4 in 10 children will be forced to leave their schools. It’s a shocking and shameful attack on children and education, Labour should hang their heads in shame.

Interests rates were nudging 15% when we bought our first place together. Anyone who believed they were going to stay historically low forever was being wilfully ignorant.
If you can’t afford to factor in a buffer to cover unexpected eventualities, as with all things in life, then don’t put your kids in independent schools.
Labour should do no such bloody thing. I don’t know why independent fees weren’t taxed donkeys’ years ago. Charitable status? Bloody joke. Tax dodge.
We would willingly have paid. Like we willingly pay higher rate tax and would pay more if it was needed to get rid of the waiting lists and provide kids with dental care. That’s what society means.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 18:56

@Alexandra2001 But if they really do have to move to the scum, sorry state sector, then all those go-getting banker types, will very quickly drive up standards.”

A valid point. If the sharp-elbows don’t improve the state system, nothing will. Maybe this is just the policy to equalise education.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 18:57

BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 18:41

Yes. Sad isn’t it?

But true.

pointythings · 30/05/2024 18:59

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 18:57

But true.

I assume you have already laid a bet to that effect? The odds are good, you'll make a killing.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:00

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 18:56

@Alexandra2001 But if they really do have to move to the scum, sorry state sector, then all those go-getting banker types, will very quickly drive up standards.”

A valid point. If the sharp-elbows don’t improve the state system, nothing will. Maybe this is just the policy to equalise education.

It wont equalise anything - it will just make the divide bigger. Bankers aren’t going to flounce into the state schools elbows at the ready 😂 they will either pay up or ship out for a nice easy life in Singapore or Sydney and then how do you pay to keep the current schools afloat if that happens en masse?

So short sighted, and if I may say ungrateful given how much wealth these people generate for our country.

pointythings · 30/05/2024 19:07

😂😂😂😂at being grateful to bankers - the people who caused the global financial crisis!

No, thanks.

If they pay up - fine. If they ship out - also fine. And you've just acknowledged that we won't have an exodus of 100% of all private school children into the state system, which is something you've been catastrophising about on several threads.

BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 19:09

pointythings · 30/05/2024 18:59

I assume you have already laid a bet to that effect? The odds are good, you'll make a killing.

I understand the bookies are offering 33/1 on a Tory win.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:10

pointythings · 30/05/2024 19:07

😂😂😂😂at being grateful to bankers - the people who caused the global financial crisis!

No, thanks.

If they pay up - fine. If they ship out - also fine. And you've just acknowledged that we won't have an exodus of 100% of all private school children into the state system, which is something you've been catastrophising about on several threads.

Good luck keeping the services we have now. It was lax mortgage companies I. The US, not bankers that caused the crash - that and labour spending every last penny and selling of anything that moved to pay for the infrastructure we couldn’t afford!!

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:10

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MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 19:11

@Polishedshoesalways

Nonsense.
We were bankers. That up sticks argument has been thrown around for decades in response to countless “crises” and just never happened.
This won’t affect bankers, they’ll just pay the probably relatively insignificant increase. It will affect people who can just about manage the fees atm. People who frankly should not have committed their kids to a school, knowing they couldn’t afford “unforeseen” increases. If their kids’ education is disrupted they need to take their share of the responsibility for that.

L1ttledrummergirl · 30/05/2024 19:20

I thought I'd found another spoof thread, is @Polishedshoesalways trying to single handedly create more?

This is hilarious- the polls are narrowing, Angela Raynor is tory mole, the conservatives are going to win, oh and Sunak can debate.Grin (FYI, I'm expecting a last minute emergency so he no shows).

I think you should try your hand at fiction, you have a real talent.

Alexandra2001 · 30/05/2024 19:20

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:10

Good luck keeping the services we have now. It was lax mortgage companies I. The US, not bankers that caused the crash - that and labour spending every last penny and selling of anything that moved to pay for the infrastructure we couldn’t afford!!

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Dam Labour privatising everything in the 80s and 90s...... i'm never voting Labour again after their leader Maggie sold everything off...... and gave tax breaks to all her union masters....

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:25

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 19:11

@Polishedshoesalways

Nonsense.
We were bankers. That up sticks argument has been thrown around for decades in response to countless “crises” and just never happened.
This won’t affect bankers, they’ll just pay the probably relatively insignificant increase. It will affect people who can just about manage the fees atm. People who frankly should not have committed their kids to a school, knowing they couldn’t afford “unforeseen” increases. If their kids’ education is disrupted they need to take their share of the responsibility for that.

This is the most militant Labour government in decades, it’s absolutely going to happen. It’s just a case of how many now.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 19:26

No, it really isn’t.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:27

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 19:26

No, it really isn’t.

It is. I’m afraid. No other have attempted to ‘equalise’ the whole of society by closing down thousands of schools for kicks.

BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 19:30

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You need it more. You could buy some manners.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 19:31

BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 19:30

You need it more. You could buy some manners.

😂😂 you can buy manners. Or compliance?

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 20:00

Polishedshoesalways · Today 19:27
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 19:26

No, it really isn’t.Polishedshoesalways · Today 19:27
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 19:26

No, it really isn’t.
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It is. I’m afraid. No other have attempted to ‘equalise’ the whole of society by closing down thousands of schools for kicks

”True. They have tried to equalise society by introducing free at the point of delivery education for all, though.

Time will tell who’s right and who’s wrong.

Having experienced both independent and state education (personal preference) with our kids over the years, I don’t understand the panic, tbh. Nursery and secondary were superior privately and primary and sixth form were superior in the state sector. Sixth form state was exceptional, both in terms of courses and facilities and resources. Provision at the NW coast independent was woeful.

Polishedshoesalways · 30/05/2024 20:07

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 20:00

Polishedshoesalways · Today 19:27
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 19:26

No, it really isn’t.Polishedshoesalways · Today 19:27
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 19:26

No, it really isn’t.
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It is. I’m afraid. No other have attempted to ‘equalise’ the whole of society by closing down thousands of schools for kicks

”True. They have tried to equalise society by introducing free at the point of delivery education for all, though.

Time will tell who’s right and who’s wrong.

Having experienced both independent and state education (personal preference) with our kids over the years, I don’t understand the panic, tbh. Nursery and secondary were superior privately and primary and sixth form were superior in the state sector. Sixth form state was exceptional, both in terms of courses and facilities and resources. Provision at the NW coast independent was woeful.

It’s symbolic of a toxic culture that will kill ambition, prosperity and success that bothers many of us.

prettybird · 30/05/2024 20:16

I'm coming to the view that this recent poster is taking the mickey as much as the OP was Wink

It's the only conclusion that makes sense Grin

VimtoVimto · 30/05/2024 20:19

Do only privately educated children have ambition?

Surely Keir Starmer and Angela Raynor are examples of ambition and success.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/05/2024 20:35

Polishedshoesalways

It’s symbolic of a toxic culture that will kill ambition, prosperity and success that bothers many of us”

where have you been, these past 14 years? At 60 and 65, we can’t recall a more “toxic” period.

Theunamedcat · 31/05/2024 10:11

VimtoVimto · 30/05/2024 20:19

Do only privately educated children have ambition?

Surely Keir Starmer and Angela Raynor are examples of ambition and success.

No they have parents with money prince harry is a great example of money down the drain on a private education he had all the advantages more than most and got less qualifications than my DD who had none (free school meal child undiagnosed ADHD/AUTISM) she went to university got great marks at school and university works full time now does well for herself etc etc

Fortunately he is rich and has other talents and doesn't need a "regular" job

Angrymum22 · 01/06/2024 00:12

VimtoVimto · 30/05/2024 20:19

Do only privately educated children have ambition?

Surely Keir Starmer and Angela Raynor are examples of ambition and success.

Kier Starmer had a grant assisted education. Angela Rayner is a gob on a stick who was ideally suited to be a union rep and was probably in the right place to progress to politician. I’m not sure than she had ambition but just had the militancy and drive. I admire and hate her at the same time. I think that she is an excellent representative for her constituency but in the same way that some Tory constituencies will never be anything but blue, she will never struggle to be re-elected. She defo preaches to the converted ( the wrong word really more never vote anything else brigade).