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Now that processed meats have been deemed carcinogenic by the World Health Agency...

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Whoknewitcouldbeso · 23/10/2015 08:12

Can I ask if you will be allowing your kids to eat sausages, ham, burgers etc? They are also warming about red meat in general so I can no longer feel virtuous when I cook homemade lasagne or shepherds pie.

My son loves sausages, I tend to buy the 98% pork ones but again, now thinking that I'm hurting him by letting him have sausages at all.

What are other people giving their children for dinner? I feel like I'm royally fucking up nowadays although I did make fresh cod goujons in a tempura batter two nights ago and he thought they were great. I must get at least one brownie point for the fish!

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ivykaty44 · 28/10/2015 18:10

Blanche try watch sugar the bitter truth and this will explain how juice is different from the whole fruit and how eating sugar in it whole state has a different effect just Google sugar the bitter truth.

claig · 28/10/2015 18:23

'How do you view dairy claig?'

I view it as healthy - butter, cheese, yoghurt etc
Full fat milk is much better than skimmed, another way that we were all conned deliberately in my opinion.

Quite often it seems we are being told that what is good for us is bad and vice versa.

Blodss · 28/10/2015 19:13

Im surprised. I thought you would disagree with it being pushed upon us by the Milk Marketing Board with the white moustache campaign telling us that milk gives us calcium that helps our bones when it seems that the bones of westerners are the worst in the world. The oestrogen question and strong link with breast cancer and other cancers. Cows milk being for calves etc. I admit to not eating dairy myself though it does confuse me somewhat.

claig · 28/10/2015 19:23

Blodss, you raise good questions and I have changed over time on the question of milk. I don't use much milk ever since the BSE crisis. But I have switched back to butter etc and I think we were conned about full fat versus skimmed etc.

The way I look at it is that there was no Milk Marketing Board in the 1700s and milk has been commonly used in Europe for centuries. I tend to believe that countries like France and Italy know what good food is all about and that over centuries humans know and knew what is and was good for them.

I believe that traditional foods and traditional farming practice and proiduce is healthy and tested over centuries.

claig · 28/10/2015 19:26

'Cows milk being for calves etc.'

As a conspiracy researcher, I have heard people who explain how bad milk is in detail, and although it sounds convincing, I believe more in the common sense of humanity over centuries throughout Europe and elsewhere. I believe that nature guides us innately to know what is good for us just as cats and animals know what is good for them.

claig · 28/10/2015 19:48

Our food has been pumped with hormones, antibiotics, vaccines etc and then for vegetables - pesticides, fertilisers etc and then all the chemicals used in processing.

It is not great, but we have to eat. I prefer organic. I don't think cheap and reconstituted meat that has been processed with chemicals etc is as good as quality cuts of meat, but I believe it is still better than GM and I believe its good nutrients and constituents outweigh its bad effects.

MadeMan · 28/10/2015 20:02

"But I have switched back to butter"

I switched back to butter and full fat milk a couple of years ago; wouldn't dream of buying semi-skimmed or margerine type spreads anymore.

claig · 28/10/2015 20:03

'wouldn't dream of buying semi-skimmed or margerine type spreads anymore'

Absolutely.

Blodss · 28/10/2015 20:06

Thanks claig. What about the affects of oestrogen from cows milk andThe growth hormone that is for enabling the growth and development of calves bones which are significantly bigger than ours. Cows milk is very different in composition from human breast milk.

claig · 28/10/2015 20:14

Blodss, I think you are right about those things which is one reason as well as the BSE that I stopped drinking milk and have cut it out of coffee and tea etc for years now. However, I believe that the fats in butter and cheese and yoghurts are healthy for the brain and our systems so the good outweighs the bad.

I believe that soy is not good and that alternatives such as soy milk could possibly cause cancer despite what we are often told.

Yes, I want growth hormones banned which is why I am worried about TTIP and the possibility of growth hormone beef and GM food being sold in Europe. I don't think our puppet politicians will help us and look after our health, I believe they will do as they are told. It is only the EU that has managed to slow it down up to now based on some governments listening to their people.

claig · 28/10/2015 20:25

'Cows milk is very different in composition from human breast milk.'

Yes, we only have human breast milk when we are babies.

We process cows' milk and have done for centuries and use it in our food and in our cooking. I think it is safe due to the fact that we have used it for centuries in its many procesed forms that contain the nutrients we get out of it. It is about moderation and mixture with our other food. It plays a part in the nutrients we need and we have made use of it over centuries.

Blodss · 28/10/2015 20:33

Interesting and thanks.

claig · 28/10/2015 20:38

A very good book is 'Trick and Treat' by Barry Groves. I googled him yesterday and unfortunately he died at 77. He ate according to the Weston-Price type diet with animal fat and meat etc and the book goes into scientific detail on why so much of what we are told is wrong and why what we are told is bad is actually good.

I am not saying he is completely correct, but I tend to agree with him more than with our puppet politicians etc. I think we are often given the wrong advice deliberately, not for monetary reasons and profit, but because it is not good for us.

Blodss · 28/10/2015 20:45

Thanks. I will have a look online. I eat paleo (without dairy) so this will be interesting.

ivykaty44 · 28/10/2015 21:26

How did Barry Groves die? Just curious as didn't Atkins die relatively prematurely as well

claig · 28/10/2015 21:36

'How did Barry Groves die?'

I don't know.

Atkins died at 72.

I tend not to believe the stuff put out about Atkins dying early because it may have had something to do with his diet. I don't think there is an exact correlation between diet and living age, I do tend to believe in the Chinese yin-yang Tao philosophy of there being such a thing as the life force or chi which plays a role in it.

The oldest living woman of 115 eats four rashers of bacon for breakfast every morning.

Blodss · 28/10/2015 21:42

Barry Groves died from a heart condition that ran in his family. It made his heart race.

Blodss · 28/10/2015 21:44

It killed his brother and his father but he lived a completely healthy and happy life until his death.

SlipperyJack · 28/10/2015 21:48

claig, why was it the BSE crisis that made you ditch milk?

Blodss · 28/10/2015 21:51

Atkins fell on ice and suffered a brain hematoma. He had a viral heart infection at the time. Whilst in hospital his body swelled up so his recorded death weight was very high. He was being treated for his heart condition at the time of his fall.

claig · 28/10/2015 21:51

Thanks for letting us know about that, Blodss.

Something you might find interesting is the difference between Weston-Price and paleo. It does seem that paleo does not use dairy whereas Weston does.

I don't know enough about Weston or paleo because I tend to dip rather than study it in detail, so I don't know what is best, but I tend to now go on the general accumulated old-time knowledge of countries such as France and Italy etc as far as I understand it.

www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/differences-between-the-weston-a-price-foundation-diet-and-the-paleo-diet/

ivykaty44 · 28/10/2015 21:52

So why doesn't everyone who eats 4rashers of bacon every day live till they are 115?

claig · 28/10/2015 21:54

'claig, why was it the BSE crisis that made you ditch milk?'

It even stopped me eating wine gums which I loved because of the gelatine etc. I couldn't trust any more that bad stuff wasn't going in the feed. I no longer believed the authorities that were supposed to keep us safe.

claig · 28/10/2015 21:55

'So why doesn't everyone who eats 4rashers of bacon every day live till they are 115?'

Because of genetics and I would say because of chi and the hand that you have been dealt.

Blodss · 28/10/2015 21:57

Thanks for that link claig

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