Now that processed meats have been deemed carcinogenic by the World Health Agency...

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Can I ask if you will be allowing your kids to eat sausages, ham, burgers etc? They are also warming about red meat in general so I can no longer feel virtuous when I cook homemade lasagne or shepherds pie.

My son loves sausages, I tend to buy the 98% pork ones but again, now thinking that I'm hurting him by letting him have sausages at all.

What are other people giving their children for dinner? I feel like I'm royally fucking up nowadays although I did make fresh cod goujons in a tempura batter two nights ago and he thought they were great. I must get at least one brownie point for the fish!

'Eating food with less air miles is ultimately probably better for farmers across the world. '

No because thankfully, contray to the elites' wishes, there are billions of people on the planet and good food is produced in Africa and elsewhere that can be traded and shipped and flown acroos the world to keep people employed in Africa and people healthy elsewhere. Some areas of teh earth are more fertile than others, and food is transported from some areas to others.

'The extreme weather thought to have been caused by climate change - caused by global warming caused by increased emissions of 'greenhouses gasses' '

This is part of the same game as the meat one played by the elite. It is a scam and is carried out for the same ultimate reasons. But that is a whole other topic entitled "what is their ultimate game?"

'I'd imagine some of 'the elite' own cattle farms.'

I imagine they all do and that they all eat it while telling us not to in order to "save the planet". They are not stupid, they are the elite.

'The 'common people' have believed a right load of old rubbish.'

Yes that is true and some are now falling for this latest lot of old rubbish that the elite and their servants are trying to fool them with about meat.

It's the shipped and flown across the world that I was referring to with your Mortadella. No wonder there are hardly any pig farmers left in Britain when British people would rather support Italian farmers.

It's undoubtedly true that more food miles create more pollution!

Britain is very fertile - much more so than vast tracts of the African continent.

But this digression I started is naughty- I've seen your posts recommending that people vote Ukip.

'It's the shipped and flown across the world that I was referring to with your Mortadella. No wonder there are hardly any pig farmers left in Britain when British people would rather support Italian farmers. '

No Britain is a huge country with a growing population and if the elite don't get their way, there will always be enough pig farmers to produce the bacon and pork that the growing population demand. Mortadella sales are a tiny proportion of meat sales in the UK.

The reason there are fewer pig farmers is because big multinational conglomerates have been slowly putting them out of business.

The elite want us to return to a 1950s and earlier age when we only ate locally grown produce and were denied all of the delicacies and produce produced on this amazing planet that the elite themselves enjoyed. It is not a zero-sum game. We now eat food from all across the world and enjoy mediterranean diets etc that have improved our health for the better.

Ham isn't indigenous to the Mediterranean.

Britain is a tiny country!

Locally grown produce is good for British farmers, fresher and has lower transport costs. If you want to foil the multinational buy direct from local farms! Veggie boxes, farmer's markets....

British animal welfare standards are higher than almost anywhere else.

We ate corned beef from Argentina in the 1950s!

The multinationals benefit from the technological advances in container shipping made in the last fifty years. It's in their interests to have global trade.

'Ham isn't indigenous to the Mediterranean. '

But we don't want to return to an indigenous world as the elite want us to do. Potatoes were brought from the Americas to Europe, they weren't indigenous here. We want trade in good food and meat from all over the world.

'Britain is a tiny country!'

It has over 70 million people, many prosperous relative to the rest of the world, who want to pay for good quality produce including meat etc

'British animal welfare standards are higher than almost anywhere else. '

Yes, and that is the way we want it.

'We ate corned beef from Argentina in the 1950s!'

Absolutely, that was good and kept us going through the war. Trade is good, food is good, meat is good despite the tricks and lies.

'It's in their interests to have global trade.'

Yes, trade is good, business is good and multinationals are also mainly good. They are not the elite, they are just doing business.

Oh I see.

Who are the elite?

'Who are the elite?'

No one knows, all we see is their servants and luvvies.

Ah.

I thought the multinationals conglomerations were the elite.

How do you know there's an elite if no one knows who they are?

So chocolate filled with sugar and fat shouldnot be eaten but meat should, yet lard is fat and previously that was good to eat along with a fried Breakfast with sausage and bacon.

Utter rubbish and contradiction made here.

I will continue to eat a diet of 10%- 20% meat and 60% -70% plants with the other 20% processed grains and carbs. I shall avoid red meat, processed meat and chicken as much as possible.

Tuna, eggs, chickpeas lettuce, tomato, rocket, sweet potato, beetroot, butter beans and spices or herbs make great sarnie fillings.

Millions of people world wide never eat mince meat, sausages or bacon it isn't difficult.

I know a plant based diet isn't harmful to health and no government in the world or research has shown that plants are to be limited for health reasons ,-

Nooooo you've been fed (d'ya see what I did there?) a lie by the elite.

'I thought the multinationals conglomerations were the elite. '

No way. They are just trying to do business. Occasionally they overreach themselves and try to corner a market and not provide fair and free competition and then they need to be regulated by politicians. Some of them lobby and have politicians in their pocket but ultimately the elite can harm their business if they feel like it. The food processing industry has not been able to prevent the scaremongering about meat for example.

'How do you know there's an elite if no one knows who they are?'

Because of the non commom sense policies and lies and scams that are promoted against the interests of the people and businesses. The spin is used to fool the people for the benefit of someone and that someone is the elite who pull the strings and pay the puppets.

So, if it's the elite that are invisible/unknowable, remind me about the luvvies and lizards?

'So chocolate filled with sugar and fat shouldnot be eaten but meat should, yet lard is fat'

But animal fat is different and is healthy.

'Millions of people world wide never eat mince meat, sausages or bacon it isn't difficult.'

Quite often because they cannot afford it, but we can.

'So, if it's the elite that are invisible/unknowable, remind me about the luvvies and lizards?'

The luvvies are the elite's servants, the paid for puppets they use.
Lizards, I don't know about. There have been reports that some people have witnessed some members of the elite shapeshifting into lizards at dusk, but these are unverified anecdotes without credence.

I know a plant based diet isn't harmful to health... well, that isn't wholly true either.

There are some warnings about plant based foods (sugar being the blindingly obviousbut not the only one), eventually, given the current overhaul of the western diet and advances in science, there will be more. Some will be made on health grounds, more will be made on ecological grounds (like palm oil, etc).

As I said earlier, being vegetarian does not significantly reduce risk for most of the cancers associated with a non vegetarian lifestyle and the risks from nitrites exist in plant based foods as well as meat based foods.

The current hype is just that, a media invented, misrepresentation of research findings and WHO change in recommendations.

''I thought the multinationals conglomerations were the elite. ''

Look at Volswagen, the world's largest car maker. They have been hammered by the political class and can do nothing to stop it. Of course the political class knew the facts for some years before they were made public which begs the question why was it made public when it was.

Ultimately, corporations are not elite at all.

Ourblanch thing is if you eat the whole sugar beet there isn't a problem, processing the plant is a problem as you take only one part of the plant. It is the same with fruit juice, you take away part of the plant and process the fruit into juice.

Eating a whole plant rather than processing the plant and just taking one part is what leads to the problem

How do you view dairy claig?

Sorry, Ivykaty, I don't get that! You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Processing is the point of the thread. All food is processed to some extent (unless you want to try Paleo).

There would indeed be a problem if you ate a whole sugar beet, I discovered that the hard way as a nine year old

What 'parts of plants' do you mean?

Over 40 years ago it was known that eating smoked meats and cheese could lead to the formation of nitrosamines in the stomach, and these compounds are cancerous.

One of the problems is that manufacturers add much more nitrite to products than necessary to prevent botulism because it gives it that lovely pink colour that makes people more inclined to buy it.

I've got the impression that most expert nutritionist eat a mostly vegetarian diet with small quantities of oily fish and lean meat/chicken and not a lot of cheese or milk but natural yoghurt.

I think vegans must have to be very disciplined to avoid having a massive carb overload.

Surely the 'elite' comprise the world's richest people (and the heads of the richest countries such as Saudi Arabia). I don't think it's radical to think that politicians get into government and discover that it's difficult to go against the interests of the multinational conglomerates. Or the established civil service. Money is powerful.

Another thing about giving children ham, salami, bacon etc is that it tends to be very salty - processed food often is - (yes I know, including hummus)

Dietary advice does seem to change - remember how popular polyunsaturated fats became? until it was discovered that they undergo a harmful chemical change at high temperatures?

I suppose commercial interests will usually try to find new products and hope that they don't have a harmful effect or plug them until the weight of evidence against them becomes convincing. Hopefully the science of nutrition will continue to develop. Our farming methods and varieties of fruit and veg have changed so much too that optimum nutrition is difficult to judge. By the time even natural food gets to us it has sometimes lost a lot of nutrients. Our soil has supposedly changed as a result of overuse of phosphate among other things resulting in lower levels of certain minerals such as selenium. I don't think it's controversial to take the approach that eating as varied, natural and unprocessed a diet as is practical is a sensible approach to take. We have to decide for ourselves (it will depend on individual circumstances) what our priorities are; cost? convenience? taste? nutritional value

It's a shame that we have such a massive food industry. We now have so much cheap sugary, salty and fatty food available and the opportunity to eat almost whenever we like that we seem to have forgotten the basics. Let your DC get properly hungry OP and they'll be more likely to enjoy a wide variety of food that isn't either very salty, sugary or strongly flavoured. And keep trying them with different tastes from an early age so they don't get set in their ways. There are so many foods available that aren't widely known now.

Eating the whole plant - eg a whole orange (except the peel) has the same amount of fructose as a small glass of its juice but the fibre in the pith and flesh will slow down the release of sugar into the bloodstream as well as providing more nutrients.

IIRC very refined sugars actually deplete the body of certain nutrients in their metabolising. It's a double whammy. And pasteurised fruit juice has probably lost some of its nutrients.

Not to mention being encased in a plastic bottle.