Now that processed meats have been deemed carcinogenic by the World Health Agency...

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Can I ask if you will be allowing your kids to eat sausages, ham, burgers etc? They are also warming about red meat in general so I can no longer feel virtuous when I cook homemade lasagne or shepherds pie.

My son loves sausages, I tend to buy the 98% pork ones but again, now thinking that I'm hurting him by letting him have sausages at all.

What are other people giving their children for dinner? I feel like I'm royally fucking up nowadays although I did make fresh cod goujons in a tempura batter two nights ago and he thought they were great. I must get at least one brownie point for the fish!

Ah yes. Soya lecitihin. Yup I'll be eating that in my dark chocolate. Mmmm I fancy some dark chocolate now

Yes 'processed' covers a multitude.......

Won't be eating hydrolysed soy protein though!

"Forget red meat - you're more likely to get bowel cancer from eating CHOCOLATE:

Leading colorectal surgeon on why he eats meat regularly - and how sugar is the true culprit

Roger Leicester is a colorectal surgeon at St George's Hospital, London
He is also director of the SW London Bowel Cancer Screening Programme
Says there has been 'no evidence' to implicate red meat in causing cancer
Very high intakes of sugar and saturated fat are much more of a problem
Concentrating on meat means we ignore other risk factors like burnt food "

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3284505/Forget-red-meat-likely-bowel-cancer-eating-CHOCOLATE-Leading-colorectal-surgeon-eats-meat-regularly-sugar-true-culprit.html

"Very high intakes of sugar and saturated fat are much more of a problem, but no one ever suggests we should give up chocolate, which is laden with sugar loaded with fat.

That would be too unpopular."

When you really understand the game, you realise it has nothing to do with unpopularity, you realise that incorrect dietary advice has possibly been deliberate for a greater agenda. There will be scaremongering against meat and luvvies will be called upon to help, but you won't hear about GM or aspartame or things like that.

I agree that it is part of a push to get people eating less meat generally. And so we should.

7 billions people (apart from vegetarians) all eating meat regularly is an environmental disaster.

But, claig. Following your own logic (if that were possible) Mr Leicester has an agenda too. He needs us to eat red meat, processed meats etc. Or he would not have a job.

Could you consider some sort of consistency in your monster shouts, please?

'I agree that it is part of a push to get people eating less meat generally'

And do you agree that "health" is not the primary objective behind it which is why other less healthy things are not scaremongered against to the same extent as health providing meat for the human diet?

'Following your own logic (if that were possible) Mr Leicester has an agenda too.'

Absolutely not because he says common sense advice that is so often the opposite of the servants and luvvies of the elite class who control supranational bodoes like the UN etc.

'He needs us to eat red meat, processed meats etc. Or he would not have a job.'

Nonsense, because as he himself says chocolate is probably a higher risk factor than red meat, which he himself eats 4 of 5 times a week. Remember that not everyone is a luvvie, not everyone serves the elite's agenda.

'Could you consider some sort of consistency in your monster shouts, please?'

The truth is always consistent because it is not based on lies.

Oh, behave!

Of course he says he eats a lot of red meat. I bet he is a closet Breatharian.

No, don't bother to argue with me. You have been successful. I am a convert. Show me a conspiracy and I will believe it. Show me a piece of common sense and I will pervert it to meet your ends - even though I have no idea what they might actually be!

'Show me a conspiracy and I will believe it'

That's the whole problem. The task of the awakened citizens is not to believe their conspiracies against the people, not to fall for their game, not to believe their luvvies.

If you want it explained further, just ask.

Re chocolate: no fibre, high sugar content, acidic; possibly a risk factor indeed. Dark chocolate has much less sugar and some nutrients so preferable to other sweets (I only eat dark chocolate as dairy makes me sick!)

We might all have to eat less chocolate anyway - IIRC there's a predicted scarcity of cocoa beans! Global demand has increased hugely recently.

IIRC some (perhaps most) of the research into aspartame was funded by nutrisweet.

I think it's labelled as unsuitable for pregnant women in some countries and diet coke in US has stopped using it. I think. I suppose it takes a long time to gather evidence - think of smoking for example - originally promoted as healthy!

People who still have 'traditional' lifestyles in very remote areas - eat little or no processed food are much less likely to get colorectal cancer. It's mostly a disease of developed western populations.

But, but, but...

... you have spent all that time telling me that there are conspiracies... twin towers, sugar, meat, endless varieties of lizard and luvviedoms.

NOW you tell me that I have be be picky about which I believe!!!

Oh, claig! Save me. Please, I beg you, show me the light. Save me from the wrong lizards, the false luvvies.

I shall believe you and only you. All of your half baked, nonsensical, unfounded, unsupported opinions shall be truth

'NOW you tell me that I have be be picky about which I believe!!!'

Yes, very picky. There are real ones and their luvvies. If a luvvie is trying to sell tou something, watch out, beware, it could very well be part of a game.

'Oh, claig! Save me. Please'

If you listen to what I say and stop contradicting, you'll be alright. I understand the game.

I didn't just learn all this overnight. They don't teach this at school. I learned about their game the hard way. Why do you think I just ate two thickly buttered rolls with delicious Italian mortadella for lunch. They can't fool me!

So... I should go Mortadellarian and stop all this Breatharian nonsense?

Fab!

Absolutely, breatharian will do you harm and so will believing the elite.

Always trust in your own common sense and the common sense of what Jarvis Cocker called "the common people". Just "live like common people do" and you'll be fine and won't fall into any of their traps or tricks.

The whole point of spin is to try and fool you and that is all they have got. Once you see through it, they are powerless against you.

Incorrect dietary advice is given out because it's in the commercial interests of the advice giver (or their employer) eg 'the (processed) food industry including the diet industry IMO. Or from ignorance

It's plain old commercialism, aka greed I'd imagine.

Like many of our other probs.

Snacking and lunchboxes...... food industry 'invention' - no such thing as a sarnie or 'piece' anymore. No it's tiny tubs of this and that and 'deals' involving fizzy drinks.

Re what to feed the kiddies - my view is that our whole environment is now polluted (eg with microparticles of plastic) - we can't do much to change our individual exposure, but we can fairly easily (I acknowledge the difficulties of kiddie peer pressure and 'fun' foods though - Billy Bear ham and sugary cereals spring to mind) choose what we eat.

Forgive me, I'm just off to eat another two slices of mortadella without any bread or butter at all, that is how good and tasty it is!

Ooh! I've just googled breatharian.

Wouldn't you rather eat British produce though Claig?

'Incorrect dietary advice is given out because it's in the commercial interests of the advice giver (or their employer) eg 'the (processed) food industry including the diet industry'

No, it is much much worse than that. Don't forget that at the moment most people across the planet still don't believe the luvvies and ignore them, but the luvvies know from experience that over time, their drip drip scaremongering will affect people and will enable their puppet politicians to bring in policies that will limit meat or tax it or something like that under the auspices of doing it because they love us or because they want to "save the planet" for us. Eventually it will harm livestock farmers, meat processing companies, butchers and of course eventually people's health as they begin to stop eating health giving meat. It will economically affect meat producers and businesses eventually, but you won't see the WHO and UN etc impacting the business of the GM corporations and their GM food which we will be told by our puppet politicians will help "save the planet" for us because that is how much they love us.

'we can't do much to change our individual exposure'

We need to constantly be vigilant and demand improvements in processing procedures, in chemical ingredients and in harm to the soil etc, but we must be aware of the overall game so that we aren't ricked by them into the path they want us to follow in the meat free GM world they have planned for us in order to "save the planet" for us no matter what effect it has on our health.

We need organic, we need farmers, we need safety standards, we need research and we need our common sense to not fall for their tricks.

'Wouldn't you rather eat British produce though Claig?'

I want to keep British famers in business to maintain our future health against the GM conglomerates, yes. But I also eat good things produced in the rest of the world. We are all one world, one planet, one people against the elites. Anything that helps farmers in Italy is also good for farmers here if we carry on eating their produce and don't fall for any global tricks.

It's plain old fashioned greed. Some things never change.

Some very old religions advocate vegetarianism (or veganism). There are plenty of healthy people across the globe who have never eaten meat.

'It's plain old fashioned greed'

But it will harm farmers, the food industry and processors. The food industry is against it for economic reasons as well as common sense and health. So where is teh greed? The UN etc aren't doing it for the sake of vegetable farmers, they are doing it for the elite and that is not about greed but about their plans.

'Some very old religions advocate vegetarianism (or veganism).'

Yes, but they are the minority across the planet. The common sense wisdom of peoples across the planet has resulted in a majority of people eating meat and I believe that nature has controlled that innately for human health rather than a burger having more taste.

People can survive on many foodstuffs and limited foodstuffs too, but what matters is people's health and getting the best nutrients possible to maintain good health.

Eating food with less air miles is ultimately probably better for farmers across the world. The extreme weather thought to have been caused by climate change - caused by global warming caused by increased emissions of 'greenhouses gasses' - has resulted in hardship for farmers. Eg beef farmers in some parts of Scotland have had to buy in fodder for their animals for the first time ever owing to the extreme rainfall earlier this year.

Droughts in US

Disastrous wheat yields across the world.

Vegetarians have a lower incidence of colorectal (and IIRC other) cancer.

Vegetarianism is becoming more popular.

I'd imagine some of 'the elite' own cattle farms.

Common or popular isn't a synonym for true!

The 'common people' have believed a right load of old rubbish.