I feel sad about Angela Rayner

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OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

No I don’t feel sorry for her. Greed got the better of her. I actually used to quite like her before Labour came into government but she seemed to change.

Then why bring it up?

Because a large majority of the posts on this thread a citing Rayner's background as a reason the press "went after" her.

How does that work?

Blossom - really??

She should have left AR to throw her under the bus? AR was recommended to take tax advice. The silly moo didn’t. That is a ridiculous comment. What would you have rather she done.

Yes she wasn't going to let Rayner get away with the 'I was given the wrong advice' bollocks. Good for her speaking out.

Blossom thinks she shouldn’t have said anything.. I wonder why?

Of course she should have. The pp would do anything for Labour.

Didn't happen like that at all

It was a Guardian 'scoop' - they found the conveyancers details thro' the Land registry and the published denial was in response to Guardian journalists contacting the conveyancers

Exposing Rayner's lies is clearly a no no!

FWIW, the SDLT advice on gov.uk is actually very clear re houses in trust for minors being counted as the parents' property.

Being from a minority group, working class or female, or any combination, doesn’t put anybody beyond criticism. That includes Angela Rayner.

Eton has nothing to do with it.

So the conveyancer’s name was a matter of public record then. Rayner did effectively ’out’ them.

Shoosmiths also came forward to deny involvement. I don’t know what forced that.

Shoosmiths are on the property title (marital home) as trustees. It's a matter of public record. I imagine they preempted being asked.

Shoosmiths were on the public record too. Neither ‘outed’ themselves as claimed by pp, that’s misinformation.

They both put out statements due to Rayner’s lies.

Totally agree with this as a fellow northern woman. She is an oik and does a disservice to us all.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think it’s quite harsh to call her an ‘oik’.

Yes, she is very outspoken about the Tories (cf when she very publicly called them ‘scum’), but I think that’s expected of her - both as a politician and both because of her personality. And it’s not the worst thing people have said about the Tories by a long stretch.

I think she had a certain role to play in Labour, both in opposition and in government, and up until now, I think she’s done it well. If she hadn’t, there’s a good chance Labour wouldn’t now be in government and that she wouldn’t have been made DPM.

Also, as a (perhaps formerly) working class woman who had a baby at 16, she represents an important cross-section of actual and potential Labour voters, so she is an important asset there too.

I have no sympathy for her and I am glad she’s gone. If I had done that I would be prosecuted, being an MP and coming from humble roots and then doing well does not put you above the law.

100% and the reality is she was always going to be held to much harsher standards than a man.

I feel a mixture of emotions tbh.

Disappointment in AR, and fear of what comes next!

The press sniggered plenty about Boris Johnson’s (also entirely self inflicted) financial difficulties caused by his nanny bills, divorce and child maintenance settlements.

I feel sorry for her too...Don't believe anything was deliberate although I know there was no way she could have stayed in post after this happened. I hope she's okay and being supported well as she must be feeling so terrible today

Rachel Reeve’s sister has been sacked?

If true, what is going on?

Edit: She has become Hermer’s deputy.

She played up to being an oik. She made a political career out of being a caricature, a pantomime working class northern woman.

Boris Johnson played the ludicrous toff. She played the foulmouthed barmaid up the Clog & Pump.

I feel sorry for her too. I do think she was an idiot though, and should have taken better care to be squeaky clean. Shame on the nasty snobs calling her an oik, though. Maybe Nigel is more to your taste.

She did it well, and it helped the Labour party, and it didn’t harm anyone (unlike in Boris Johnson’s case, where he insulted people from many groups who wouldn’t traditionally vote for him - Muslim women, gay men, black people from former British colonies).

Except vote for them. 😂