I feel sad about Angela Rayner

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OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

My late DM read the sun, she was neither thick or lacking in morals.

With a warning that 1980s language might not be suitable for a 21st century forum, but some things never change, and that includes newspaper readership...

Do you really need a warning for ‘big tits’?

Who knows nowadays ;)

Is Badenoch working class? I thought she was middle class.

Like Shabana, Yvette & Lammy to some extent. Kim Leadbeater no, not since the euthanasia bill.

who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect,

So people with ‘King’s English’ aren’t speaking properly? I hate this reverse snobbery that somehow people with a trace of an accent are more authentic, more genuine, everything they do is somehow more benevolent because they’ve clearly pulled themselves up by the bootstraps..

Owen Jones - university lecturer parents, has never had what one may call a ‘normal’ job outside of think tank type employers

Andy Burnham - Cambridge, straight to political advisor roles. Never done an ordinary day’s work in his life

Lisa Nandy - private school, life peer grandparent, straight to parliamentary researcher after university

John Healey - grammar and private school, OBE dad, Cambridge, journalist for a short while then straight to politics

Your assumption that a good old Northern accent makes you some kind of working class stalwart and salt-of-the-earth character is absolute nonsense

Also seems patronising, as if being working class is defined by bad grammar.

Good god. How can anyone regard Lammy with anything other than baffled horror? The guy who thinks a man can grow a cervix with ‘the right hormone treatment and surgery’, that Marie Antoinette won a Nobel Prize for Physics (would at least have been funny if he’d gone for Celeste instead of Curie), that Henry VIII was followed by Henry VII, and most recently that the Hitler Youth was alive, kicking, and trying to recruit Nigel Farage some time in the 70s or 80s (or maybe that Nigel Farage is an actual vampire or a particularly rare type of rights-hoarding dinosaur(???) who was in his youth in the 1930s and 40s). He’s a one-man repeat issue of Dumb Britain and I still shudder at the thought that he was Foreign Secretary.

What??? Oh my goodness, had no idea. Definitely not then.

Nigel Farage is an actual vampire or a particularly rare type of rights-hoarding dinosaur(???) who was in his youth in the 1930s and 40s

To be fair, do we know that this isn’t true?

Well, there's more chance of Farage being one of the Undead than there is of a bloke growing a cervix, I'll give you that.

Is an alderman and politician's daughter working class? Need to check though when Thatcher's dad took those positions up.

Personally I'm glad Phillips is 'gobby' and 'ranty' about VAWG.

I believe her father was the Mayor of Grantham at one point. Although if being appointed mayor means you cease to be working class, perhaps it's time Sadiq khan dropped his whole 'son of a bus driver' schtick 🤔

I think that's missing the point though. Being appointed mayor doesn't negate a working class childhood, but if you were a child when your dad was mayor, are you having a working class upbringing?

It's like saying my gran was working class bc her mum was a sheep farmer's daughter, but by the time she had my gran she was a qualified teacher and married to a fairly well-off banker.

Yes that makes sense but her father was mayor when she was 20 and an alderman when she was 25 so she was certainly an adult by then. Don't get me wrong I definitely don't speak as a fan of hers in any way shape or form, but if a female labour politician grew up in a flat above a shop and rose to the position of PM, her working class roots would be flagged up at every opportunity, regardless of what her dad did outside of running the grocers shop later in his life.

Is reading the Sun a compliment to anyone?

Phone hacking, Hillsborough, AIDS crisis, harassing the royals, Page 3 with Sam Fox at 16 etc ...OK those were some time ago but it's still owned by the rotten Murdoch.

Oh right sorry. I thought he did that when she was a child.

Take it up with the majority of Sun readers, who vote Labour, or certainly used to.

Appealing ? Not by page 3, at least..

Why would most Sun readers vote Labour yet buy a very right wing paper? Do you have stats?

Google it.

Hasn’t this thread turned into a spiteful pit of vitriol??

Angela Rayner made a mistake, a mistake that cost her dearly - I have met her many times she is a lovely down to earth woman, her accent/voice/colloquialisms are all her.
She has done fantastically well despite/inspire of her background and as a fellow woman I find a whole thread of women really slating her quite distasteful.
Many of our politicians have had chequered pasts and made wrong decisions.

In reply to some of the comments,Nigel Farage is quite a charming man in regular company - if you’re not discussing politics that is.

And I think that being a mayor and an alderman is quite possible to do whilst remaining working class - I speak with knowledge.

we all want the political parties to represent the real people and be real but we want them whiter than white and beyond reproach too - and it’s never going to happen.

What did she think about their coverage of Hillsborough, AIDS, harassing the royals, hacking phones, Page 3?