Transwoman on women's ward

[Sallycinnamum]

Had a minor gynae procedure today but nevertheless was very anxious leading up to it.

Was wheeled back to the day ward to be greeted quite literally (started waving at me) by a transwoman in the bed opposite me.

There was no doubt he was a man and being completely immobile due to a spinal anaesthetic with no underwear on I asked the nurse to completely close the curtains so he couldn't look directly at me.

Spoke to a nurse who confirmed it wasn't a mixed ward.

I am so upset. I felt so vulnerable especially as I couldn't walk so had to pee into a bedpan in clear earshot of him.

I've emailed PALS but I feel so bloody fed up of it all. Had a man next to me in the M&S lingerie changing rooms a few weeks ago and was made to feel like a total bigot when I complained to the staff.

If the NHS doesn’t know what a woman is???

This is utter nonsense. Women were on the receiving end of hideously poor treatment by the NHS for decades before transitioning and gender identification were things.

Male entitlement and good old fashioned misogyny are the issues here. Stop trying to twist realities to your agenda.

If no one is talking about this, why the SC judgement? Because JKR wanted it?

And nope, women arent just vulnerable because of rape or predatory behaviour. I am pretty sure most transwomen won't rape me. But I want the dignity and privacy of single sex. You don't get to give it away on my behalf. You can opt for a mixed ward.

These were the papers the morning after the Supreme Court judgement. There's similar for the Sandie Peggie ET. Its definitely being talked about.

As much as people like to say 'it's only a niche issue, only the weirdos on Mumsnet talk about it', that's just not true anymore, is it?

More....

“Challenge” all you like. It’s unequivocally true that “trans women” are men.

Utter bollocks yet again.

its about males in female spaces. Not just about predatory men (although a man who deliberately places themselves in a female only spaces knowing it makes women uncomfortable is being predatory). It’s the nice men, old men, gay men, and yes the men with trans identities. If you want to have mixed sex wards you are entitled to that view but if you want single sex wards then that means no Transwomen in female wards.

And they and the pushing of the trans agenda against the wishes of most women are two sides of the same coin. All misogyny.

I know plenty of lovely non-predatory males who I’m pretty sure wouldn’t harm anyone, they (rightly) can’t go into female only spaces either. I know they wouldn’t harm anyone, other women don’t know that though, and I wouldn’t want to be in a state of undress around them either.

Are you really so naive not to understand why single sex provisions exist? And why this suddenly doesn’t disappear because a man declares ‘he identifies as a woman!’, whatever the fuck they means because no one who believes in this stuff can accurately articulate what this means.

I find it interesting that we supposedly need single sex spaces where women can be solely with other biological women in some form of safety and solidarity displaced given the level of antagonism that arises on here once biological female dares to challenge the prevailing Mumsnet view on this.

I finding interesting that you believe the 6 rapes and serious sexual assaults reported every day in English NHS hospitals, the 1 rape a day in English schools, the 98% of sex crimes committed by men, the 75% of violent crimes committed by men etc etc are balanced out by the terrible violence of <checks notes> people disagreeing with you on Mumsnet.

Yes, it blows my mind to see someone claim to care about all these issues affecting female people whilst effectively denying that we need a coherent and objectively definable category of "female people".

We already know that crimes committed by male people being recorded as having been committed by a woman are skewing crime statistics by making it look as if there has been an uptick in women committing sexual and other violent crimes.

What if the same is true in medical context? What if the symptoms experienced by trans women presenting at A&E with a suspected heart attack are recorded as symptoms experienced by women and included in data used by researchers looking into how heart attacks present in women?

What if trans women doctors are routinely treating female patients who have asked for a female doctor?

What if women's health initiatives or budgets for research into women's health are diverted towards research into and care for trans women suffering from health complications as a result of their hormones and surgery?

Why is that interesting?

A woman who disagrees with you is not going to sexually assault you in a toilet.

We are grown ups. We don't need to be safe from other women's opinions. We need to be safe from men.

I could not give a shiny shit what someone's motivation is for identifying as a woman. A male person who says he is a woman so he can perve on women and girls in a changing room and a male person who says he is a woman because he really believes that his penchant for wearing skirts and nail varnish makes him one of the girls both have the same equal rights to women's single sex spaces: no rights whatsoever. Neither of them should be there.

And just because you know women who aren't talking about this doesn't mean they aren't bothered by it. When the prevailing political climate means that women can get fired or cancelled for talking about this, their silence is more of an indication that they secretly agree with the TERFs than anything else. (Because people who do claim to believe that TWAW tend to virtue-signal it from the rooftops.)

Where else would you like HER to be? She is a Transwoman and misgendering her by calling her a he is disgusting.

Actually, it's legal now to call a transwoman a man. Both on MN and in the real world.

Doesn't matter how many come on here to deflect and distract. The SC has said no men in women's wards. End of. Take it up with them.

OFGS

He said he was still fully intact

*correctly sexed. You’re a bit late to the party.

On a male or mixed sex ward, or failing that, in a side room. As the law requires.

Don't be so ridiculous

And even if he wasn't, gynecologists don't specialise in neo vaginas. They are only concerned with female reproductive anatomy.

Sorry this is happening to you OP. I really don't get why some men can't grasp that they are male even if they want to be female. Men cannot become women, it really is that simple.

This is what I can't stomach. The double standards.

Exactly . It's cosmetic . It's not done to preserve life.

Huh? Who said he was fully intact? Did I miss something? Who's 'he'?

The man and he said so himself @grammarninja. Go back and read the thread

The men’s ward or a mixed ward. Because he is a man.