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Transwoman on women's ward

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Sallycinnamum · 17/06/2025 18:34

Had a minor gynae procedure today but nevertheless was very anxious leading up to it.

Was wheeled back to the day ward to be greeted quite literally (started waving at me) by a transwoman in the bed opposite me.

There was no doubt he was a man and being completely immobile due to a spinal anaesthetic with no underwear on I asked the nurse to completely close the curtains so he couldn't look directly at me.

Spoke to a nurse who confirmed it wasn't a mixed ward.

I am so upset. I felt so vulnerable especially as I couldn't walk so had to pee into a bedpan in clear earshot of him.

I've emailed PALS but I feel so bloody fed up of it all. Had a man next to me in the M&S lingerie changing rooms a few weeks ago and was made to feel like a total bigot when I complained to the staff.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 13:02

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 06:38

The vicious attacks and slurs on women who object are very telling.

A transwoman is placed on the women's.ward because he objects to being on the men's ward, ostensibly.

How.come he gets to ask not to be among males and is listened to, while the women are told they're bigots for asking for the same thing?

Because he's a man and everyone knows it.

If he were a woman he would be told to put up and shut up.

Nanny0gg · 18/06/2025 13:17

DarkLion · 17/06/2025 22:27

Is it a recovery ward or an actual gynae ward? I only ask as I’m an nhs nurse and mixed gendering is only allowed on surgical recovery post procedure and critical care like ICU and high observation bays where again people are critically unwell. Gendering like that is absoloutely not allowed on wards and the trust can be fined very hefty sums! Regardless of current gender, we always aim to put transgender people in their own rooms and not in bays

The word is SEX

Not gender

HTH

Sallycinnamum · 18/06/2025 13:22

Nopicturesallowed · 18/06/2025 12:38

Where else would you like HER to be? She is a Transwoman and misgendering her by calling her a he is disgusting.

I tell you what is disgusting. Me sitting immobile covered in blood and urine and unable to get a nurses attention because the curtains were completely closed so he couldn't see me. I mean are you really that bloody stupid?

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Nanny0gg · 18/06/2025 13:22

holamuchgusto · 17/06/2025 22:46

I'd like to refer you to the point you made "living as a woman for 45 years". Therefore, she is a woman. You don't have to have surgery to be a trans woman. Therefore she is entirely entitled to be on that ward. No dispute. You are being very discriminatory.

AS a woman

Not an ACTUAL woman

Therefore is still a man

Mumble12 · 18/06/2025 13:29

If they legally can't have biological men on the wards, why are they? The NHS is one of the largest organisations in the world. Surely they have lawyers? Do they routinely break the law in other areas?

Pinkpom · 18/06/2025 13:30

Name and shame the hospital, PALS will do nothing so they can avoid conflict. Put them under the spotlight.

InjuryMyArse · 18/06/2025 13:31

Mumble12 · 18/06/2025 13:29

If they legally can't have biological men on the wards, why are they? The NHS is one of the largest organisations in the world. Surely they have lawyers? Do they routinely break the law in other areas?

As in Sandie Peggie case and the Darlington nurses.

BeanQuisine · 18/06/2025 13:34

"She is a Transwoman and misgendering her by calling her a he is disgusting."

Sex realists - the great majority of the human population - identify themselves and other people by their sex, which is an objective physical characteristic.

There is no reason why we should be obliged to discard our objectively accurate worldview, and replace it with the distorted personal fantasies of a few troubled individuals.

And that's what "gender" is, as used by the trans movement - it refers to their fantasy role-playing, not to any objective reality. It's not remotely "disgusting" to refuse to take part in somebody else's fantasy games, especially if doing so entails discarding your own basic human rights, as TRAs insist women should do.

Mumble12 · 18/06/2025 13:36

InjuryMyArse · 18/06/2025 13:31

As in Sandie Peggie case and the Darlington nurses.

But that case started in 2023, prior to the SC Ruling.

Apart from transgender issues, are there other laws they aren't following? Seems odd to me that they could 'get away with' breaking the law on such an industrial scale without repercussion

Nanny0gg · 18/06/2025 13:36

Jewel52 · 18/06/2025 00:38

I see very few trans people yet on Mumsnet they’re seemingly lurking everywhere, having gone through all the trauma of becoming trans for the sole purpose of raping biological women.

And now seemingly they’re getting themselves ill to gain access to women on female wards.

What a hugh amount of effort they seem to put in when they could just rape women in the ways customarily employed by most men.

Except for where they might end up if they get a prison sentence

BundleBoogie · 18/06/2025 13:41

Jewel52 · 18/06/2025 11:58

I find it interesting that we supposedly need single sex spaces where women can be solely with other biological women in some form of safety and solidarity displaced given the level of antagonism that arises on here once biological female dares to challenge the prevailing Mumsnet view on this.

Secondly, the idea of vulnerability only arises if you buy into the view that someone is identifying as female but still acting in some kind of predatory way towards biological women. E.g the op literally saw the patient, the patient supposedly waved and they immediately perceived a threat. That’s what I meant by not quantified. The threat came from her joining lots of dots and working on assumption. Isn’t that the definition of prejudice? The op could’ve assumed that this person was just going about the business of recovering in a hospital but instead knit together a Mumsnet worthy anecdote.

Outside of Mumsnet this isn’t a thing. I work in a female dominated environment, have 3 sisters, belong to clubs etc. No one is talking about this.

What a bizarre claim. Of course many people are talking about this. It has been bouncing around the government and courts for many years, given the issue described by OP, the whole of the NHS is talking about this (and many other government organisations). Nicola Sturgeon arguably had her career irreparably damaged by arguing in favour of a double rapist being placed in a women’s prison and even the BBC have been forced to cover it.

Do you live on a desert island?

spannasaurus · 18/06/2025 13:41

Mumble12 · 18/06/2025 13:36

But that case started in 2023, prior to the SC Ruling.

Apart from transgender issues, are there other laws they aren't following? Seems odd to me that they could 'get away with' breaking the law on such an industrial scale without repercussion

Dr Upton doesn't have a GRC so isn't affected by the Supreme court ruling which was only about whether people with a GRC should be treated as their acquired gender for the Equality Act

It was already ruled that people without a GRC are their biological sex for the EA and I think that ruling was before the tribunal

BundleBoogie · 18/06/2025 13:45

Jewel52 · 18/06/2025 11:58

I find it interesting that we supposedly need single sex spaces where women can be solely with other biological women in some form of safety and solidarity displaced given the level of antagonism that arises on here once biological female dares to challenge the prevailing Mumsnet view on this.

Secondly, the idea of vulnerability only arises if you buy into the view that someone is identifying as female but still acting in some kind of predatory way towards biological women. E.g the op literally saw the patient, the patient supposedly waved and they immediately perceived a threat. That’s what I meant by not quantified. The threat came from her joining lots of dots and working on assumption. Isn’t that the definition of prejudice? The op could’ve assumed that this person was just going about the business of recovering in a hospital but instead knit together a Mumsnet worthy anecdote.

Outside of Mumsnet this isn’t a thing. I work in a female dominated environment, have 3 sisters, belong to clubs etc. No one is talking about this.

Ps if you don’t want single sex spaces when you are vulnerable that’s fine. I sincerely hope you don’t join the number of women tho have been raped or sexually assaulted while in hospital with these men who like to expose themselves to women, view hardcore porn on the ward (that one got a conviction thankfully) or just generally harass and upset women.

I suggest that you volunteer to share third mixed sex spaces with men who wish they were women to try and provide them with the validation they need. Good luck.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/06/2025 14:14

Jewel52 · 18/06/2025 11:58

I find it interesting that we supposedly need single sex spaces where women can be solely with other biological women in some form of safety and solidarity displaced given the level of antagonism that arises on here once biological female dares to challenge the prevailing Mumsnet view on this.

Secondly, the idea of vulnerability only arises if you buy into the view that someone is identifying as female but still acting in some kind of predatory way towards biological women. E.g the op literally saw the patient, the patient supposedly waved and they immediately perceived a threat. That’s what I meant by not quantified. The threat came from her joining lots of dots and working on assumption. Isn’t that the definition of prejudice? The op could’ve assumed that this person was just going about the business of recovering in a hospital but instead knit together a Mumsnet worthy anecdote.

Outside of Mumsnet this isn’t a thing. I work in a female dominated environment, have 3 sisters, belong to clubs etc. No one is talking about this.

I'm so glad this 'isn't a thing' for you, it is, however, 'a thing' for many other women. Especially those who have been hounded out of their jobs, and received rape and death threats for merely stating the biological reality that people can't change sex. Are you suggesting that only things that affect you or your sisters are worthy of attention? I have thankfully, never had cancer, should I just not be bothered by it affecting other people, because it's not 'a thing' for me?

Men as a sex class are predatory towards women, 95% of sex crimes are carried out by men, we want to keep all men out of our single sex spaces, because we don't know exactly which men are a danger to us. Not all people are burglars, but I bet you lock your doors at night, or do you breezily tell people that not all people are burglars, so why would I bother to lock my doors?

SternJoyousBee · 18/06/2025 14:17

Nopicturesallowed · 18/06/2025 12:38

Where else would you like HER to be? She is a Transwoman and misgendering her by calling her a he is disgusting.

The topic is single sex spaces. Females and males. So called “misgendering” is therefore completely irrelevant. Go and derail somewhere else.

SternJoyousBee · 18/06/2025 14:20

Grammarninja · 18/06/2025 12:53

Huh? Who said he was fully intact? Did I miss something? Who's 'he'?

Yes you absolutely did miss something…in fact several things.

MagicMichaelCaine · 18/06/2025 14:28

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/06/2025 14:29

Nopicturesallowed · 18/06/2025 12:38

Where else would you like HER to be? She is a Transwoman and misgendering her by calling her a he is disgusting.

Today is Wednesday the 18th June 2025. The person being referred to is a man. Both of those statements are factual, why do you find the second one 'disgusting'? Do you often find facts disgusting?

Grammarninja · 18/06/2025 14:31

Judellie · 18/06/2025 12:55

The man and he said so himself @grammarninja. Go back and read the thread

Oops sorry!

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/06/2025 14:35

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'The majority of child abuse is perpetrated by women so how do we know which ones are safe to be around our children as teachers/nursery assistants etc?'

Completely and utterley wrong -

'The majority of perpetrators of sexual abuse before the age of 16 years were males
Around 9 in 10 adults (92%) experienced sexual abuse committed by males only.' These are official figures from the Office of National Statistics, please go and peddle your deliberate misinformation somewhere else. I am reporting your post.

spannasaurus · 18/06/2025 14:36

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The 2019 Crime Survey for England and Wales showed that 91.7% of child sex abuse victims were abused by a male, 3.8% by a female and 5.5% by both male and female

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spannasaurus · 18/06/2025 14:39

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can you link to any reports showing figures for this

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/06/2025 14:39

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I'm reporting this post too.

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