@JennyShaw
It's interesting that people who use this idiom never consider that they might be the pig 😂 Well, in this instance, you pounced on a perfectly innocent comment I made to someone else, blew it out of all proportion and decided to argue with me about things I didn’t actually say. You let your imagination run away with you and you made things up Jen. And, then when I clarified my actual opinions and my reasons for not prioritising the feelings and experiences of women who are perfectly happy with their choices, over actual victims, you have ignored what I’ve said and decided to concentrate on yourself and the way I’ve responded to you. So, in this particular scenario, I’m happy that you’re the pig.
What do you think that people who read this thread will think about you? No idea. Maybe that I don’t have the patience to be kind to someone who was being a dickhead to me for absolutely no reason? It’s not really any of my business what anyone else thinks of me. Did you think I was a bit rude? Are you suggesting that I should have replied to your post with kindness? Should I have apologised for saying things I didn’t say? Just so nobody thought I was being mean to you? Yeah, fuck that for a game of soldiers. Do you want to answer the same question? (That’s rhetorical, I know you won’t be able to help yourself)
You're very patronizing, 'getting quite irritated' and rolling your eyes 😂 You’ve got a brass neck, I’ll give you that! All patronising on my part was completely intentional. I’ll be honest, I actually ramped it up a bit especially for you. You came at me, remember? I replied in exactly the same tone you used with me. I’m struggling to understand how you’ve got to adulthood without learning that if you talk to someone like an arsehole, they’re going to reply in the same way.
You accuse me of lecturing people. It is very important that people have the facts. When people repeat false statistics then I am going to be pointing that out to them. I know that makes you irritated and want to roll your piggy eyes Aww Jen, now that’s just being hurtful. I have lovely eyes. They’re one of my best features. But I believe I actually said something about you lecturing people rather than talking to them. It’s not what you said that I found irritating, it’s the way you said it. And that might not bother anyone else on the thread. But I found it irritating, which was why I chose to simply scroll past your posts without reading anything you’d said. I also don’t understand how you can digest so many books to the point of being able to recite facts from them long after you’ve read them, and clearly feel strongly that false stats must be corrected, yet you’re having difficulty in sticking to the facts of what I actually said.
You say you are interested in victims of sexual exploitation, the ones who don't go to 'posh knicker shops' (and you accuse me of being melodramatic!) Matching your energy Jen. Maybe we can get that Hollyoaks job together?
Let's take, as an example, a Chinese national in Britain selling sex. Is she being exploited? She has been working in a garment factory in China. She knows that if she had a few thousand pounds in the bank she could leave the factory and start her own business. She has a friend who has done this. She knows another woman who bought a car. They have no regrets I have a sneaky feeling that this hypothetical Chinese national will have a back story that you’ll reveal to me once you’ve got my reply, but I’ll play along. Simple answer, I have absolutely no idea. I don’t assume. If she’s perfectly happy, doesn’t have PTSD, did it willingly and stopped the second she wanted to, then who am I to say she’s been exploited? And why would I need to hear anything more about her work? Is she happy she did it? Yes. Does she need support? No. That’s the point I lose interest and don’t want to know anymore. Why are you making unfounded assumptions about my opinions because I’m more interested in centering the vulnerable women who do need support, or who do have regrets?
Why am I bothering to tell you this? That’s a question that only you can answer Jen. I’ll happily admit that I have no idea why you’re continuing to try and goad me into an argument about something I didn’t say and about opinions I don’t hold. You've already told me that you don't want to know. You're not interested And yet, you persist?! I know how important accuracy is to you, so if we could keep to the facts of what I actually said, as well as the context I said it in, that would be lovely. I didn’t say that I wasn’t interested in the topic. I said I wasn’t interested in hearing about the thoughts and experiences of prostitutes who are perfectly happy doing what they do. In the same way I’m not interested in an accountant telling me about all the receipts they’ve had to go through that day. Do you understand now I’ve explained it again? Because, if not, then you’re just going to have to let it go because I’m really not sure how much clearer I can make it.
I could tell you about the research by Ko-lin Chin or Elizabeth Pisani into Chinese sex workers working abroad. You would accuse me of just reading a couple of books. No one could accuse you of having done that. I have read many books about the various forms of prostitution in different parts of the world and I have other knowledge of prostitution in one part of the world, Soho Again with the hurtfulness Jen! I might start taking it personally if you continue. And the showing off? This isn’t your CV. You don’t need to list your knowledge and experience in the subject. If you weren’t so difficult to talk to, I’d be happy to have a conversation with you about it even if you’d never read about it or come within a million miles of it. But you are quite right; you have very clearly read far more books on the subject than I have. Rachel Moran’s book is actually on my ‘to read’ list but, in general, I prefer a good murder mystery. Sadly, my knowledge of the subject is not quite as academic. Talking to victims of trafficking and listening to things I wouldn’t want anyone else to hear, let alone go through. I could tell you about the women who thought they were coming to work in a factory and found themselves being raped in a brothel. Or women who thought they were coming to start a new life with their boyfriend, only to discover that they weren’t in a loving relationship after all and he’d simply viewed her as a commodity he could sell on. So, perhaps unsurprisingly, I’m not really up for reading about it when I get home, or listening to tales of women who have come out of it completely unscathed and are ready to recommend it as a career option. So don’t you dare fucking lecture me about your research and your knowledge of Soho, because it strikes me that all of that learning has taught you fuck all about the women who are victims of exploitation. Or does it not suit your ‘happy hooker’ narrative to consider them?
I’m absolutely positive that you’re going to come back at me with some long winded response full of absolute bollocks, because you strike me as the sort of person who feels a need to browbeat people into simply acknowledging that you’re right and they’re wrong, simply to get you to leave them alone. Let me save you the trouble; I’m going to treat it in exactly the same way as I did your earlier posts and simply scroll on past without reading it. I refuse to engage in this nonsensical argument with you any further. Now if you have a shred of respect for anyone else, you will stop derailing the thread and leave me the fuck alone please.