Is there a problem with Islam?

[LeafBud7]

My answer to this has always been, no, even if there are problematic elements within Islam especially for women, you can say the same about any culture or ideology, or religion.
I have been reading and thinking more about this recently, and i'm going round in circles. My brother in law is Muslim, and I am going to ask him what he thinks when I next get the chance for a proper chat, also a female colleague who I think would be open to talking about this..
In the meantime, what do you think? Is it as I have always thought, above, or is there something potentially within the religion what makes it more problematic, or is it not the religion itself, but more how things evolve in some communities? Is it all just a imaginary "problem" used by racists to whip up a storm?
One thing is for sure, it seems one is not really allowed to ask these questions in some circles, without being accused of being racist, which I find really unhelpful.

Reading the link I'd say this was the pp's point

Saudi Arabia’s Personal Status Law (PSL), passed one year ago today on 8 March 2022 and touted as a major reform by the authorities, perpetuates the male guardianship system and codifies discrimination against women in most aspects of family life, Amnesty International said today, as the world marks International Women’s Day.

The law fails to adequately protect women from domestic violence. Instead, the PSL entrenches patriarchal gender roles by expecting women to “obey” their husbands. It also makes women’s financial support from their husbands during marriage conditional on wives “submit[ing]” themselves to their husbands. Such provisions place women at risk of exploitation and abuse, including marital rape, which Saudi law does not criminalize.

Human rights activists told Amnesty International that these activists who were at the forefront of calls for women’s rights were not given the opportunity to provide any input into the law. Women who face challenges in relation to marriage, divorce and child custody under the PSL are unable to speak freely about their concerns for fear of repression by the authorities.

On March 8, Amnesty International released a joint statement with Human Rights Watch and other organizations, which calls on the Saudi authorities to take further steps to end discrimination against women and fully dismantle the male guardianship system.

Yet you're not a practising Muslim nor do you know anything about the way women are treated in Saudi. I can't believe you lived there and found out nothing about the culture or law.

If I lived in a country where rape victims han be punished and a man can legally rape his wife, I'm not going to go to the police if a man propositioned me.

@MarsBounty err,it’s no,a link where amnesty international discusses the systemic gender discrimination in Saudi…….you think that a country where the principle of male guardianship is enshrined in law, where women have to obey their husbands and where marital rape is not recognised, is strong on the principle that a man’s sins are not the woman’s ? I’m sure you are aware how hard it is to get those guilty of rape and sexual assaults convicted in this country, how easy do you think it is in Saudi where a woman’s word is worth less than a mans? Or do you think men have the right to rape women they are married to?

Like the pesky Amnesty International who have stated this?

Women who face challenges in relation to marriage, divorce and child custody under the PSL are unable to speak freely about their concerns for fear of repression by the authorities.

And when since is discussing Islam on mn a saviour agenda? I'm in no position to save anyone, I can still have views on religious indoctrination

What do you know about the laws in Saudi affecting women?

I honestly can’t believe you are apologising for that regime https://www.ecdhr.org/rape-abuse-isolation-unveiling-the-horrors-of-migrants-women-condition-in-saudi-arabia/

I'm well travelled thanks I still have views on religious indoctrination and its impact on women and girls

But if countries want to left alone I'm not advocating that we spend money stepping in

What are you suggesting?
I'm not "thinking the worst of Muslims" neither am I having negative thoughts. Please don't get personal if you can't answer a question.
I'm very interested, that's all.

You're speaking for Muslim women when you know nothing about it. Saying that Saudi women want to be brutalised and treated like a sub class. Did you know that FGM is practised in Saudi? Is that respectful?

This is the feminism board, right?

I can scarcely believe what I'm reading. Is this a lie then?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/01/30/saudi-arabia-10-reasons-why-women-flee

@MarsBounty I find your posts enlightening and answers many questions too. Thank you :)

Thank you. I'm just trying to inform myself.

You seem to be ignoring links to facts

It's pretty easy to spout nonsense as well.

Could you be any more condescending and patronising with that comment?

Will do.

@MarsBounty yes I’d love to hear any more you have to contribute about why it’s acceptable for women to be abused and mistreated in countries where their lack of rights are enshrined in law…but hey it’s ok because you’ve talked to people who are happy with their lives. Have you ever thought that you might not get to talk to those who are unhappy?

Nothing to save them from? They can be legally raped by their husbands. The can be imprisoned and flogged for reporting rape. Jesus Christ why are you defending this?