"Boys' poor mental health stems from feminism."

[Whattheduckery]

Just been in a training session at my school and this is what the trainer has said. She followed with "because they don't have a club to be part of..."

It's made me so mad.

@Galadriell

Oh the old wont someone think of the menz.

The number of people murdered pa in the U.K. is small comparative to the population - 583 last year. Men tend to get into fights or gangs and harm or kill each other.

The number of women raped and sexually assaulted in the last year was 798,000 which is 1 in 30.A recent study of 1000 women found that 97% of those aged 18-24 had experienced sexual harassment. That is why personal safety is an issue for women. And they’re not even safe from their own partners - 1 in 4 women have experienced domestic abuse.

Men are not victims of feminism it’s simply the old adage that when you’re used to privilege equality seems like a disadvantage. Feminism benefits everyone. Apart from misogynists.

Men tend to get into fights or gangs and harm or kill each other.

Proving my point (see my earlier post about feminists claiming male violence is always drunken fights and gang violence).

Did the lad killed at the train station the other day look like a gang member? How about the 13yo child stabbed to death?

the old adage that when you’re used to privilege equality seems like a disadvantage

Somebody needs to explain this quote to the white feminists that lose their shit on here every time a WOC criticises white privileged feminism.

(And equality isn't being 70% of murder victims and 4x more likely to be attacked).

I agree.

Where did I say always? I send tend.

2021 figures for London - the majority of fatal knife offences were gang related, and 40% of all murders were gang related. That is simply a fact.

A child is not a man.

I missed this meeting! When did all the 'feminists' get together and claim male violence is always drunken fights and gang violence?

Which men?

The men who are violent and abusive towards other people.

I’m not a white feminist so you can stuff your whataboutery.

Men are more likely to be physically assaulted by other men. They are far less likely to be sexually assaulted.

The discrepancy in the number of men/women murdered is because it’s mainly men doing the killing. Men kill other men and they kill their partners. 97% of the prison population is male. All men have to do to achieve equality in homicide numbers is to stop killing each other.

And what a weird way of using the concept of “equality” - numbers of dead people.

I can't see them wanting to step up for some reason.

So how does society tackle male violence?

Tbf, American men have to sign up for the draft (or 'selective service' as they call it). If they don't they miss out on a whole raft of state benefits that women get regardless. I believe it's actually illegal not to sign up for it in some states.

Well, that's the burning question.

I don't think it's as easy as just saying 'men' need to step up, because you'd hardly say a black man was collectively responsible for racist violence or police violence against POC, for example. Neither would a gay men be culpable for homophobic attacks.

Huh? You mean a white man.

And yeah white men do need to step up for racist violence.

Why would the victims be responsible?

A male POC however may be responsible for domestic violence though or sexual harassment or assault. A gay man may abuse their partner or be as aggressive to others as a straight man. This is a male problem; violence against women and girls is a national crisis in many developed countries.

No, I mean a black man. My point is that collective responsibility doesn't really work when you break it down as certain demographics aren't positioned to tackle specific types of male violence.

as certain demographics aren't positioned to tackle specific types of male violence.

Can you give some examples of what you mean?

A lot of sense on this thread!

"What about male victims of violence?"

If you google"mums against" you get a whole list of organisations tackling violence, much of it violence against men. E. G. Knife crime, gun crime, male suicide, drugs etc. Some of it helpful, some of it maybe a bit nuts (US campaigns against satanic rock music). Lots of men care about male problems and are active, but lots and lots of grass roots movements are/were headed by women.

Women also campaigned (grass roots) on women's issues /children's issues and some women created overarching theories connecting the problems women faced and putting it in a social/historical context. This was called feminism

Lots of men (and women) pointed out that men also suffer from violence/suicide why no feminist theories to help them? So then we got theories about how men suffer in patriarchy and lots of attention paid to toxic masculinity.

The men complained even more about toxic masculinity being negative towards men. So some women said fix your own problems. So then men felt left out.

The problem is, if you want an overarching theory about why men suffer from violence/suicide you have to address the fact that most of those problems are caused by men. It doesnt mean all men are responsible/deserve to suffer violence. But if you want to talk about it you have to talk about that. Call it what you want. And this, of course, makes young men feel criticised/feel bad. So round and round we go. It's easy to say "men are victims of male violence because of feminism". But it's not true.

Or we could Not talk about male problems. But then every discussion about women's issues gets derailed.

Perhaps the way out of this loop is to demonstrate to boys positive examples of male behaviour. That of course starts with their dads so the onus is on their dads to teach their sons how to be decent human beings.

You’re confused.

Men are the perpetrators here. So men taking collective responsibility for the violent minority is like white cops taking collective responsibility for the racist cops.

Of course it is not at all like a victim, taking collective responsibility for the perpetrator.

I'm not at all confused. I just recognise that 'men' are actually an incredibly vast and diverse group that can't be lumped together for any purposes but the broadest, most generic, stat gathering.

It's ridiculous to argue that white western males are responsible for tackling Islamic jihadis in Iran just because they're both male. In this situation the man is no more culpable than a white western female.

There are other distinctions other than male/female and a WOC, for instance, might actually feel closer to a man of her own background/ethnicity/religion than she would to a white woman.

Also, I'm not taking about 'white cops taking collective responsibility for the racist cops'. I'm talking about black cops being expected to take responsibility, which is in theory what would happen if it were regarded as the responsibility of all men, as it is by many feminists.

And really it's not even the responsibility of white cops if they're not personally involved.