I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?

[JanefromLondon1]

I want him not to be able to give me the flannel that we have to be kind to the woMen. I want assurances that we do t have to share our spaces. I want to not sound like the very nervous person that am I!

Any help appreciated?

Hope you read through all the positive responses on Twitter OP. A lot of praise for you. Well done

Fantastic, Jane! You absolutely highlighted the way KS always tries to turn questions about women's safety and dignity back to trans people. It was crystal clear. You were strong and assertive, he was blustering. How very female to be nervous and worried about what you can do - then do brilliantly!

Well done Jane, congratulations for pressing the point and trying to get an answer out of him.

All he really wanted to do was refer to his past, rather than the present, and tell us how "vulnerable" trans people are. Why the hell, when we ask about protections for women, do they respond by telling us that transpeople are vulnerable? (I had the same from my MP on my doorstep recently.) Some are vulnerable, some are not, as as we know, letting some men in lets all men in. They always deflect - we want to talk about protections for women, not protections for trans women.

Or 'Sir Keir Theory' as Graham Linehan rather amusingly described him once.

I heard you!

He didn't listen. I wish you could have pushed it more but you did really well.

Women are NOT walking resources for men to use.

No, we're not. But they are absolutely determined to make us so.

And not only that, they can't fucking see it.

Women's spaces are to be repurposed for a handful of men. Women are therapy, we're validation. And yes, wank fodder.

That's our bloody job, right?

And it's so ingrained in Starmer, that he can't even recognise it.

And I know I sound like a broken record, but this is the reason why it does need pointing out. It's so undeniable, so irrefutable, and suddenly so perfectly, blindingly obvious that it really does it highlight the rank sexism.

You did really well! I'm glad that the twaddle comment has been picked up - that is exactly what it is! KS just kept parroting the tired (and untrue) "most vulnerable" schtick that he has been spouting for a while. If he believes what he was saying he would be able to move away from the script but he doesn't so he can't.

That was absolutely brilliant Jane, don't know how you stayed so calm!

Bravo Jane! Labour please take heed we are all Jane from London...

I'm glad that the twaddle comment has been picked up

That made me laugh. Brilliant to have used a 'headline' word.

And about to weaponise Brianna Ghey AGAIN.

The man has Absolutely no shame whatsoever.

And you know how many women? And most of them think that women are resources for men to use for their own purposes and validation?
NB 'vast' means being without anything in it as in 'vast (i.e. empty) ocean'. So you have an empty number of women who may agree with you.

Thank-you Jane

Well said Jane. As a life long Labour voter I am considering spoiling my voting slip. Women won’t wheesht.

That was so good Jane. Clear as a bell. And he was left spluttering.

Maddening that the argument is always “but they are the most victimised ” so what that is IRRELEVANT and should be absolutely nothing to do with us! I’ve never understood why this becomes women’s problem.

Jane @bleughgreen, you absolutely floored him. Brava

Well said. I have a nasty suspicion I will have to do the same - again.

And yet he practically fell over himself to previously accuse Sunak of weaponising Ghey’s murder.

@foxxo

I don't know why you say ou disagree with GC views - most of use would agree with what you wrote. However, I'm going to pick you up on this - it's not only you that says this, I know, but we need to push back.

Most of my trans friends agree ftr. They just want to exist.. its only the assholes who keep trying to push themselves into womens safe spaces, and the vast majority of Trans folk hate them for making their lives harder.

We are talking about "women's single-sex spaces", not "women's safe spaces". They are defined by being single-sex, they are not defined by being safe; if they happen to be relatively safe, it's a consequence of being single-sex.

Thank you Jane!💐

Listening to it again, the moment when the two conflicting policies came together was when Starmer uttered the word 'safe'. The only sense I can make of Labour's position is this:

1. We will have spaces for biological women.
2. We will allow people who aren't biological women into the spaces for biological women.
3. This is safe.
4. Women's privacy & dignity aren't even on our radar.

No thanks!

The next woman to get through to him should tell him to stop using that poor child's death as cover for diminishing women's safety.

Exactly.

And we're calling them women's spaces because we want women to keep using them.

Otherwise, if we understood that women aren't service humans , we could just make a third space. Job done.

I've read all the thread now and my dc want me to vote Labour. I've said to them how I felt worried when in M&S trying on bras and there 100% was a man in the next cubicle trying on whatever. I told them how vulnerable I felt as the bottom line is he can hurt me a lot more than I can hurt him.

Is it really a case of one choosing who to vote for on one issue or not to vote on one issue? Why can't politicians just be straight instead of constantly second guessing what their words might mean for them.

It is not trans people's fault that they are as they are but it isn't biological females either. Trans being in their birth places is maybe going to upset them emotionally but being in their trans place can put biological woman at risk if they are rapists.

Well done Jane for exposing Starmer's insistence that undressed women & girls, women in hospital beds, women talking about rape, women in sport must accept the presence of sad and traumatised men who think they're really women is both incoherent and downright dangerous.
Still - he shows us who he's really bothered about despite his endless droning on about how important he is in relation to VAWG.

And surely somebody should tell him that weaponising a child's murder to deflect from the public spotting his own male centred luxury beliefs is outrageous.

I picked up on that too.

Single SEX.

Safety in general simply comes as a result of them being single SEX.

My personal safe space is on my couch with a cat. I don't want ANYONE else there, woman or man.

Sex. The word is sex.