I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?

[JanefromLondon1]

I want him not to be able to give me the flannel that we have to be kind to the woMen. I want assurances that we do t have to share our spaces. I want to not sound like the very nervous person that am I!

Any help appreciated?

Jane.
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Labour could actually make toilets safer for everyone with some small changes to this government’s new public toilets designs. Because the Conservative’s advisers have been so focused on privacy they have ignored concerns about health and safety. The safest options (particularly for women and girls) are not the ones being introduced in October. There’s a way of making this better Labour.

I am in the SW, where the Libdems are seemingly getting a free pass on being interviewed.

The candidates need to be dragged onto the radio and telly, too!

Jane, it's all been said already on here and on Twitter, but you seized your moment so brilliantly. Thank you! You didn't sound nervous at all. Now we all know where we stand, Keir has got a fight on his hands. Bring it!

He definitely said it but at the very end.

It was his desperate last word, his touché

Oh yes, that is the killer question. Your 8 year old daughter walks into the Ladies alone and a six-foot obvious bloke saunters in behind her. Does your heart skip a beat for a moment? What do you do? How do you genuinely feel?

ElleWoods15 I presume you weren't an adult before the #MeToo movement happened.

Because I remember having to fight to get men to accept that rubbing up against us on the tube wasn't acceptable, that the funny jokes about how we dressed or how big our boobs were shouldn't be verbalised, that touching us, in any way at all, unless we had asked to be touched, was wrong and was assault.

We experienced that and had to fight against it. It was relentless. In the street, socialising in clubs, pubs and restaurants, on public transport and at work.

We finally get to a stage where men realise that this behaviour is wrong and we get a slight reprieve. Not a total reprieve as there are still predators out there but it's not as bad as it once was.

And now, now we have men saying they are women and are to be allowed into our spaces, we are feeling threatened again, we are feeling scared, not listened to, victimised but we can't say anything about it or we are being unkind. We are hurting the feelings of these special beings who can, against all scientific evidence and fact, apparently change sex.

I cannot believe you can't see it.

https://x.com/Martina/status/1806751226786156590
Martina Navratilova picks it up. "Seems clear this man cannot be trusted . The verbal gymnastics are of Olympic levels, if that were a category one could compete in…"

Thank you Jane

#janeforPM

Well done and thankyou Jane from London. Your tenacity really helped Starmer to clarify how little he cares for women's privacy or safety.

Jane, you're fucking amazing. Thank you.

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** Also I voted for Starmer to be Labour leader
should you be admitting that on this thread ........ in public n evryfink! 😳 😂😂

@TheMarzipanDildo ‘Twas back in t’ day
and there was feck all competition, in my defence. And I thought he’d be like Kier Hardie because of the name

in that case you're totally totally forgiven!! 😆
But 😭 how Labour values have changed!!

The only time starmer the twaddler got really energised was when he was talking about the traumatised trans gender.

you could kinda hear him thinking. Oh another bigot.

his feet were held to fire.

We are hurting the feelings of these special beings who can, against all scientific evidence and fact, apparently change sex.

I do wonder how the Labour party can embrace this non scientific fact and yet also expect us to believe in other manifesto promises that will involve science ? As for the NHS is concerned, I am not holding out any real hope, they will just change the name of things and get us to collate certain data to prove that what is actually happening, isn't, which is a bit cynical I know !
Things like Green energy, ( have they decided to bin that, can't remember ? ) well if they believe you can change biological sex, you might as well pitch any old rubbish to them, all they will have to do is believe hard enough and it will obviously work

Totally brilliant Jane. I’ve emailed my local labour candidate tonight to say his non answers and “twaddle” today have just lost this candidate 3 votes from my household. I also note that most comments I have read on news sites reporting on your exchange are very supportive with many saying that their vote is lost too.

Bravo Jane, you were magnificent. Thank you. 🙏

My DP just played me your clip!!! I was so excited I replied with "YES - I KNOW HER!!!" which confuses him for a moment. Well done!

Is anyone thinking if Starmer back tracks or makes some significant announcement on this issue, it would be too little, too late? I don't trust him.

I think at this point, anyone who trusts in the waffle and fudge needs help.

And yes, any last minute seeing the light would just be another fudge to get the Labour party in power, with their anti-woman plans back on track come July 5th. I agree with the tweet earlier that it's interesting that Stonewall are all hushed up and not wailing about Starmer mentioning biological women, and it looks very much like a deal has been done.

We all worried for years about being too cynical about him and Labour. I'm afraid at this point I think we haven't been anyway near cynical enough.

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ElleWoods15 I presume you weren't an adult before the #MeToo movement happened.

I’m going to take that as a compliment like being IDed to buy a bottle of rosé! Sadly the latter hasn’t happened to me for about 20 years, and I’ve spent those 20 years fighting for gender equality (and just an end to good old office sexual harassment) in a heavily male dominated industry.

But that’s totally irrelevant to this debate, because I consider trans women to be women. And what you’re worried about isn’t actually trans women, it’s male predators pretending to be trans women. Which is different.

I said as much as this on the other thread. Why, when there must be polling showing this is problematic, are they so focused on this item? A canny politician who genuinely believed this nonsense is good and right, would have not made any comment on easing the GRC process and relied on pushing through, when I’m elected with a HUGE majority. Labour have putj this as one of their key commitments so they must be planning to put it through under the Salisbury convention, ie if it’s part of an election pledge, it’s not challenged when they make the legislation. That’s actually sinister, that they are so set on this that they want to circumvent debate in the Lords with Baroness Nicholson and others dissecting the bullshit.

Why on earth are they so committed to this? Who is holding their feet to the fire?

What is more important than our rights, freedom and safety? Women in the UK on the whole enjoy living in such a society and take it as a given. I have Indian friends and colleagues who emigrated to the UK precisely because they could not, as women live freely or safely and their rights are curtailed. In India they cannot go out alone and in some places male chaperones are almost obligatory, they face constant threat of male intimidation and violence on a daily basis whether catching a bus or shopping for groceries. This is the reality in India’s modern cities and rural outposts. They can’t believe an incoming UK government will let random men into women only spaces and allowing easier GRC is almost an invitation for men with ulterior motives to do what they want to the women there

How are they different? How can one tell, when faced with a male person in a ladies toilet, which category that person falls in?