I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?

[JanefromLondon1]

I want him not to be able to give me the flannel that we have to be kind to the woMen. I want assurances that we do t have to share our spaces. I want to not sound like the very nervous person that am I!

Any help appreciated?

Wow, so impressive. Well done Jane.

I don't respect people who lie. Men pretending to be women and demanding access to women's spaces are liars doing harm to women and girls. What about that deserves respect?

But it's only a niche issue they say, only 4 MNers and a dog talk about it they say, never comes up on the doorstep they say.

This isn't going away and is just going to get bigger and bigger. Labour need to sort their shit out before they have their own 'rapist gender' moment.

You have to wonder what is going through this woman’s mind. She’s a traitor to women everywhere.

Whichever way the nurses' case goes, it'll happen likely during a Labour government. If they lose, the public will be outraged. They win every day of the week in the most important place: court of public opinion. Labour would be forced to act.

The difference is I don’t include trans women in my definition of men.

They are men though, however you dance around the fact. As I said, a "trans woman" is literally any man who declares one day that he is a woman.

We've come so far. A few years ago, we weren't allowed to call men, men, now we are allowed. There's a sentence I never thought I'd have to write twenty years ago.

I’ve only seen it on MN, certainly not in real life.

LOL. Yes of course, no one knows what a woman is in real life, it's only a thing on MN.

I didn't like Angela Rayner. Then I heard her on a debate and was warming to her.

Having watched the above. No. Not for me.

Because women have seen what happens to other women who speak out and they're scared.
I teach at a university and made a fairly innocuous comment to a group of young women just to test the waters. Their reaction surprised me. They were totally GC. One even said 'I didn't think we were allowed to say things like that'.

This is the big question.

Because, how, the fuck, has this all happened. It's patently absurd.

Possibly money. Possibly the men at the top have the same fetish.

Superb Jane *bows to you"

Thank you Jane, you were awesome. I will also be spoiling my ballot.

Jane, thank you a million times over. You were very, very brave and so strong to keep refusing to listen to his segues, semantics and implications that women asking this are disrespecting men who say they are women and causing ‘toxicity’.

I think that Nick guy was actually a bully. Why didn’t he intervene to make Sir Kier stop obfuscating, and make him answer the point about letting men into women’s sex based spaces when they have a GRC? He left it to you to insist on a straight answer in the face of those blatant time-filling tangents and evasions, then he made out you were not giving Kier Starmer a chance.

Can you believe that he tried that Brianna Ghey/Rishi Sunak line yet again, rather than answer? It is sickening that for all he goes on about Rishi Sunak bringing up BG in a seriously tactless context, he, Kier is still manipulating Brianna’s tragedy for his own ends. What was it supposed to mean anyway? That women wanting sex based spaces are responsible for causing harm to children like Brianna?

I also heard him at the start not answer another woman. She told how her son had not been able to get a secondary school place. Therefore, she and her husband had mortgaged their house to send him to a private school.

She asked how, given what had happened to their son, children leaving the private sector due to vat, could actually be sure they could get a place at a comprehensive instead?

He had no answer at all to that interesting question, which was not about whether vat is right or wrong, but just about what will happen in practice? He just gave his pre-set speech on and on no matter how many times he was brought back to the question .

To return to your call near the end of the programme, I am not surprised you were shaking. I wish I could take you out for something lovely.

You are a hero. Thank you again.

This really.

I truly support trans women. I want them to feel accepted and included. I want them to be safe. But I can’t accept allowing trans women into women’s safe spaces.

I feel the same way about men. I want them to be accepted, included and safe. I don’t believe that most men are predators. But that doesn’t mean that I would be comfortable allowing them into a changing room with my teenage daughter.

I wish that trans women realised that we are their allies. If they were fighting for their own safe spaces most of us would be fighting with them. But they can’t expect us to put ourselves in danger every day simply to accommodate them, even though we do understand that most trans women don’t want to hurt us. The risk that unscrupulous men will take advantage is just too great and we need to protect ourselves.

Apologies if this has already been posted, but @JanefromLondon1 JKR salutes you!

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1806702067378999608?s=61&t=haffcpWC9mwmf6zkaHVRIg

Comments on daily mail over a 1k and most get it. It’s about women’s rights

people are seeing what’s happening to women’s rights.

@ElleWoods15 The difference is I don’t include trans women in my definition of men.

You're categorising them as trans women - which suggests not men and not women. I think this is a perfect categorisation: trans women.

A space is needed where they feel safe from males and where they don't take rights away from females. A 'third space ' where everyone feels equal and where everyone has equal rights.

I'm think most people would be happy with that?

And they were some comments on how the bbc slipped up by letting a woman speak.

people do get this now are dead pissed off by it

We've come so far. A few years ago, we weren't allowed to call men, men, now we are allowed. There's a sentence I never thought I'd have to write twenty years ago.

@arethereanyleftatall I was thinking this exact thing the other day ! It really is all sorts of bonkers what we have been through over the last few years.

@ifIwerenotanandroid she says "unjustified fears" 😱.
Transgender woman's rights are women rights 😰

Acht, that's a no from me.
So disappointed. I've watched Starmer for years and have been generally impressed but him personally, and the changes he's made for the Labour party.
But he is just totally disconnected and disinterested in this major issue.
He doesn't even seem to have read enough around the subject to have a basic grasp of the issues from both sides.
Oddly, the LibDem candidate is fully, clearly GC.

Jane. Please be our leader. What an absolutely fantastic woman you are. Thankyou. I had a Vote Labour poster in my window this morning. It finds itself in the bin this evening. I’m done.

Nope from me. Men should be the ones who should be educated or re-educated as women are often told