I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?

[JanefromLondon1]

I want him not to be able to give me the flannel that we have to be kind to the woMen. I want assurances that we do t have to share our spaces. I want to not sound like the very nervous person that am I!

Any help appreciated?

Also I voted for Starmer to be Labour leader so now I feel like he owes me joking ish

@JanefromLondon1 that was amazing and so good to see so many people on twitter agreeing with you. I particularly liked the 'twaddle' and the audible sigh from you it was perfect.

The conservatives have posted the clip on their Instagram account! You were brilliant 💪🏽

I wonder if *Viviennemary *
Will need to use a hospital for instance, or have an intimate exam or a mammogram? Or maybe she is a chap that does not care about us at all.

If Keir and Nicky think Jane was a one-off angry woman, they have no idea. We’re just warming up. We won’t lie down while the rights and equal recognition that previous generations of women fought for are taken from us.

Love it! 💪💪

brilliant 😁

Let's not forget it is the Conservatives that have presided over this reduction in women's rights so far.

I wonder if Viviennemary **
Will need to use a hospital for instance, or have an intimate exam or a mammogram? Or maybe she is a chap that does not care about us at all.

Or use a toilet outside their home.

It's not just either/or, Labour or Tory.

I won't vote Labour, mainly because of this issue. I won't be voting Tory either, despite this issue.

There's actually no-one I can vote for.

Yeah, we keep hearing that.

But the Conservatives aren't going to be the next government.

So it's Labour we have to worry about, with very good reason.

And are doing their best to scrabble back and clarify the law for example. Labour are headfirst in there and going for it.

I think they will get in but the landslide won't happen. We really do not need the ludicrous Lib Dems as the opposition though as they are gender obsessed fools also.

@Viviennemary I agree politicians should stop spending time on this. They could easily do that if they adopted a sane position that protects all parties: trans people have the right to express their gender however they want through name, dress, behaviour, etc. However as they remain the biological sex they are born in limited circumstances where the Equality Act permits single sex provision they will not be permitted to access services or spaces provided for the other biological sex.

Jane is fantastic and a star 🌟
She told him straight and he hated it .. squirmer stammer starmer !!!

Given there are about the same number of trans men as trans women, there will be biological women with "penises" who would have to return to female rather than male spaces.

Exactly !
A man identifying as a woman because of Starmer will be able to visit ladies as a carer .. only women are allowed to wash women and deal with their personal hygiene requirements… This is going to unravel so many issues and risks
My youngest son was a carer for 1 year and the males are not allowed to wash the ladies .. they are only allowed to attend the men.

Only cause there is an election. A bit like the taxes once they are elected it will back to the same. If they cared they would have taken action already.

I believe in third spaces because it is a reasonable response to the argument that TW don’t feel safe in male toilets, prisons, communal changing rooms etc. Third spaces are obviously mixed sex, so also provide an option for TM and non-binary. Yes being mixed sex increases the risk for the women and girls who chose to use them but women and girls, including TM and NB (RFAB), would also be able to choose the safer single sex provision.

I also see it as a preferred option to the current trend towards unisex/gender neutral provision which is replacing single sex provision. This sees the creation of enclosed cubicles which have implications from a health and safety perspective e.g. spotting someone is unconscious.

We already have third spaces in the form of disabled and changing places so adding a unisex option preserves single sex spaces whilst creating a suitable alternative for trans and non-binary people.

Vocal TRAs may not want third spaces for obvious reasons but it is a compromise it is hard to argue against. No debate is over and I believe the vast majority of the population would see third spaces as a way to give TW dignity and respect whilst also giving women dignity and respect by retaining single sex spaces.

Wow Jane well done, you smashed it

Thank you Jane - you are taking Twitter by storm, plus special mention in the Telegraph about "talking twaddle" 😁

I think there are rather more TM than TW. And not many have the appalling surgery.
Also - third spaces can be a thing if they do not want to use the ladies.

@Harassedevictee I believe 3rd spaces are the way to go as well. However, it's not always possible - small cafes for example. Some cafes only have 1 loo for everyone to share. Some have 2 loos, male and female. Should they now have to provide a 3rd one, at extra cost and using up more space? I was thinking of this when listening earlier to an interview with Angela Rayner, when she was pushed repeatedly on what a transwoman should do in a restaurant with male/female loos and she wouldn't give a direct answer, just kept saying everyone deserved respect (irrelevant), and the restaurant should provide for everyone's needs (not always possible). Plus we know that some transwomen refuse to use 3rd spaces.

Another old chestnut being dragged up: in essence 'say no to men, and you'll have to have women with beards and you won't like that'.

Actually no, women of any appearance are fine thanks.

And anyway, its about keeping men out of single sex women's spaces. If men then want single sex spaces, they can sort out their own issues.

It has been a growing issue and now it is critical. Labour gave us the shitty legislation and it has been taken advantage of by men. Had the LP been in power we would be in a MUCH worse place now. Probably exactly where we are heading tbh.