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I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?

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JanefromLondon1 · 28/06/2024 09:12

I want him not to be able to give me the flannel that we have to be kind to the woMen. I want assurances that we do t have to share our spaces. I want to not sound like the very nervous person that am I!

Any help appreciated?

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TuesdayWhistler · 28/06/2024 16:29

Viviennemary · 28/06/2024 16:07

He has more important things to think about than this. I wish folk would stop banging this drum. It really is getting on my nerves. Its not a huge issue for most women IMHO. It is an issue but not an important one. If I was an athlete I'd think it was important. Or in prison but I'm not.

The oppressors can oppress because they have useful idiots willing to be oppressed and share the joy of their oppressions. Get off your knees.

ElleWoods15 · 28/06/2024 16:29

Devonbabs · 28/06/2024 15:53

That’s because you live in an echo chamber built in gilded bricks of wokeness.

As opposed to the absolutely delightful echo chamber that is this thread.

FWIW, I don’t, and I make a point of reading up on both sides of the debate. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn’t make them ‘woke’ (used in the charmingly critical sense you intended), or susceptible to propaganda as other posters have suggested.

AGlinnerOfHope · 28/06/2024 16:29

How lucky for you, @Viviennemary

You aren’t in prison, in sport, don’t work in the police or the NHS, aren’t going to be in hospital, or need a smear or a scan, or go to a woman’s shelter or a rape crisis centre. or be a parent to a girl needing any of the above.

That really is very lucky indeed, and obviously you can flare into the future and knowing’s won’t change. you’ll never be given intimate care by a man, despite your request otherwise. You’ll be happy sharing a room with a man in youth hostels and conferences.

In the real world, 51% of the population are being kettled into ever smaller spaces while men prance around cosplaying at womanhood. We are losing athletic records, awards, privacy, dignity and safety.

But that’s ok. We wouldn’t want a poor man to feel unwelcome.

Hummingbird75 · 28/06/2024 16:30

He constantly talks about 'women's spaces', not single sex spaces!

Hummingbird75 · 28/06/2024 16:31

Thank you Jane, from all of us (baby girls included) 💪

BettyFilous · 28/06/2024 16:31

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 28/06/2024 11:35

My postal vote is sitting in front of me with a cross in the Labour box. I'm just about to stick in the recycling bin rather than post it.

Fuck off Keir. I don't trust you.

Spoil it instead and say why.

Datun · 28/06/2024 16:32

Hummingbird75 · 28/06/2024 16:30

He constantly talks about 'women's spaces', not single sex spaces!

Yes, because he knows that if men are allowed in they're no longer single sex. He knows that these men want to come into women's spaces. I.e, spaces with women in them.

ActivePeony · 28/06/2024 16:33

Datun · 28/06/2024 16:32

Yes, because he knows that if men are allowed in they're no longer single sex. He knows that these men want to come into women's spaces. I.e, spaces with women in them.

And women can have penises obvs...

ifIwerenotanandroid · 28/06/2024 16:33

I'm remembering how MPs used to shout at Mrs Thatcher in the HoC, "Resign!". When she finally did & John Major stood up in the HoC to say his first words as PM, before he could open his mouth Dennis Skinner shouted, "Resign!". It was a glorious moment which used to be on YouTube & maybe still is. I'm really hoping if KS gets in someone will do the same to him but shout, "Twaddle!"

Datun · 28/06/2024 16:34

ActivePeony · 28/06/2024 16:33

And women can have penises obvs...

It's so slimy. He knows that he's talking about 'legal women'. And he knows he's gonna make it a lot easier for men to become legal women.

It's absolutely infuriating that he thinks no one is going to fucking notice!

cavalier · 28/06/2024 16:35

How would he feel if he saw a hairy **d man with a penis walking into a female only toilet behind his wife and daughter
because he is opening a whole Pandora’s box and somebody should ask how would HE feel if it was HIS wife and daughter in this very possible scenario once he unleashes his madness on the uk

VitaSays · 28/06/2024 16:36

Well done, Jane. This is Keir's Gillian Duffy moment. Gillian Duffy was the woman Gordon Brown called a bigot without realising the microphone was still on. That caused damage to him and the party.

What is it about Labour men that they are all so quick to accuse a woman who disagrees with them of bigotry and hatred?

viques · 28/06/2024 16:37

Viviennemary · 28/06/2024 16:07

He has more important things to think about than this. I wish folk would stop banging this drum. It really is getting on my nerves. Its not a huge issue for most women IMHO. It is an issue but not an important one. If I was an athlete I'd think it was important. Or in prison but I'm not.

It might not be an issue for you today, but tomorrow , the next day, or in twenty years time it could be a huge issue for you if for example, it comes to not being able to choose who gives you intimate personal care in a hospital or care home without being accused of transphobia. Or when your grand daughter , niece or god daughter doesn’t want to go swimming because there is a man changing in the changing room, or when that same female child gives up a promising sporting career or hobby because they are being hurt by transwomen playing on the opposite team, or if you are sitting on a jury and have to listen to a weeping raped woman being told to use her rapists preferred pronouns and told to refer to “ her penis” when describing the rape.

If women dont raise their voices now then these things will become habituated, enshrined in law and commonplace. I am old enough to remember when discrimination against women was apparent in everyday life to an extent that many would find unbelievable today, we fought against it and won many of the battles, but this is another one, and ironically we are not only being challenged by men who think they are men and men who think they are women, but by women who don’t think it concerns them. It does.

Yes Starmer has other issues to think about, but he made the mistake of showing his true colours on this one instead of relying on the usual politicians obfuscation, so it is right, and proper, and important to push back. He is the one who lay down with dogs, we are the ones wielding the flea drops.

TeamKenwood · 28/06/2024 16:38

Thanks @JanefromLondon1

You’re a legend. And on TwiX too.

eurochick · 28/06/2024 16:42

I haven't been through the whole thread but JKR has commented (emojied?) on Twix

I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?
UpThePankhurst · 28/06/2024 16:43

Women who wish to change in mixed sex spaces and have no need of single sex spaces themselves are very welcome to ask for third spaces, or for the mens to be turned into the mixed sex space.

They should have the basic intelligence to realise that this does not work for all women, and that if they are for the exclusion of some women, mostly from vulnerable groups, so that men can have what they want, they are in favour of men in society having rights that women do not, and women being fixed in law as a lower kind of human. In essence, they are for male supremacism.

Once Starmer et al get this fixed in law it will be years of hard work to roll back. And a lot of women are going to start wailing when this happens, and when it starts to be them and theirs who are directly impacted, 'why didn't someone say something or do something?'

And we will be saying to them, 'fuck knows, we tried.'

ifIwerenotanandroid · 28/06/2024 16:45

'Yes Starmer has other issues to think about'

... and it's his responsibility as party leader to have come up with a good enough offer on this topic that everyone would be satisfied & no-one would need to question or discuss it, & he could get on with all those other things (though personally, tearing up the green belt & taxing pensions aren't things I can get behind).

We said it, right here on MN: if you want women to shut up about this & vote for you, you need to give us what we want. That went for all the parties.

Bumblebeehum · 28/06/2024 16:45

Jane - you were bloody marvelous, if I knew you in real life I'd be buying tonight!!

SensibleJaneAndrews · 28/06/2024 16:46

Jane is no.6 trending on Twitter too!

murasaki · 28/06/2024 16:46

It's much easier to get a new law in place than to repeal or change one.

Devonbabs · 28/06/2024 16:47

Jane for PM. Just listened to the whole thing. You were marvellous. It’s very clear Stammars Dad was indeed a maker of a tool.

if he can’t grasp a simple concept, so simple that a five year old can grasp, he isn’t fit to run the country. He has zero common sense, he has no morals.

Voting Labour is voting for a party who will put the needs of a few men over the needs of all women.

I feel physically ill over the thought of this man running the country. It’s clear fro
the way he spoke he’s a Lilly livered misogynist

Zeeze · 28/06/2024 16:48

Just heard you on X @JanefromLondon1 - you were absolutely brilliant!

RebelMoon · 28/06/2024 16:48

SensibleJaneAndrews · 28/06/2024 16:46

Jane is no.6 trending on Twitter too!

Number 5 now

I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?
TheMarzipanDildo · 28/06/2024 16:49

Viviennemary · 28/06/2024 16:07

He has more important things to think about than this. I wish folk would stop banging this drum. It really is getting on my nerves. Its not a huge issue for most women IMHO. It is an issue but not an important one. If I was an athlete I'd think it was important. Or in prison but I'm not.

It’s also about the principle though. If he doesn’t think a woman is an adult human female, what does he think we are? And what other nonsenses can he be made to believe?

Moreover, this stuff is the antithesis of feminism and the antithesis of progress, experiments have been conducted on children and vulnerable adults and I won’t be told it doesn’t matter. The fact I’m being told to shut up about it and focus on more important things just makes me angrier quite frankly.

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