They hate us don’t they?

[Dargawn]

I notice all over social media that when it comes to taking the piss or highlighting a particular annoying type of character then ppl will default to the feminine. So, it might be a meme taking the piss out of the office gossip. It’s a woman; or doing an impression of that annoying jobsworth in the corner, it’s ‘Brenda’. Or focusing on a ‘gullible lefty’, then it’s a ‘women’s studies’ lecturer; or someone who is fake - always a woman, or a gold digger - always a woman.

like all the contempt in the world is directed at women.

Gay men do it, straight men do it, old men do it, young men do it.

they hate us don’t they?

I think the phrase "men tend to be more authoritative" is complex, isn't it. This is, at least partly, down to physical presence, and louder, deeper voice. If you are more likely to respect someone because of these qualities, women are already working against something they can't control. Should we be saying that only make sergeant major types should be teachers, so that misogynistic boys behave themselves?

Often, I know if a boy is growing up in a household with DV. Boys tell me things like "my Dad loves Andrew Tate". These are often the boys who don't think they have to do a single thing I say.

This is true, but doesn't necessarily make men hated by women but some of it is more in line with male anger and VAWG?
We know men commit more of the violent crimes and that VAWG is an issue, particularly behind closed doors, but on TV we are more likely to see a man with minor irritability (or as you highlight a bit slow) being accepted as normal rather than a reflection on real issues.
There are sex differences/generalisations but across the world women are often viewed as 2nd class or lower.

Ignore what is said on social media. Accept who you ate and enjoy your life.

Some of my most influential teachers who were also the best with behaviour management were the complete opposite of sergeant majors.

About 85% of primary and 65% of primary teachers are female, worrying numbers of boys are growing up without a father figure. Maybe it's time we try to recruit some men?

Often men don't want to go into teaching because it doesn't pay well for the level of education and work involved, and it isn't a well-respected profession in this country. I'd be absolutely thrilled with any strategies to tackle these issues.

Average pay for teachers is broadly in line with other similar jobs which men tend to work in such as engineering, IT, construction etc. so I don't really buy that argument.

Maybe include quotas for hiring in the same way many companies are trying to recruit 50% female engineers? Showcase some male teachers in the same way female pilots are to raise the profile of teaching as a career path? Provide some public funded bodies to champion the cause of men in education in the same way WISE does for women in STEM jobs?

I'm a Year 13 tutor and have been for years. I've tried to to persuade lots of my boys to go into teaching and most of them just feel like it is too much work for the pay. The other jobs you list don't tend to take hours of marking home at the weekend.

I think we fundamentally agree - boys need good men as role models in order to grow up more respectful of women.

100% agree on the role models.

It would be nice to see a fraction of the effort put in to getting girls to do boy jobs be expended on getting boys in to atypical roles.

Men are already very welcome into schools and get a free line through to the top echelons. Like every female dominated profession those at the top are disproportionately men because they are so much more valued. Contrast the lot of women who try to break into the many male dominated areas.

I think what the other poster is saying is that we need more men in the classroom not in management, which I would agree with.

How are you ruling out the fact that female teachers tend to have different styles of behaviour management to males being the cause for this rather than some bias on the part of students?

It's very subtle. And, like many things, starts at home and with parental expectations.

My school has a very clear behaviour policy that is adhered to strictly by both male and female teachers. We have good behaviour generally and this is because the policy is followed consistently. Everyone uses the same behaviour management techniques and these are essentially rooted in empathy and developing a sense of personal responsibility.

Yet behaviour is often better for the male teachers. So why is that? It's not because the behaviour management styles differ.

And that is generally because, in our families, the man is still the authority figure in the household. The children grow up manipulating and verbally overpowering their mothers who will say to me things like, "I just give in and let his dad deal with it," and, "You just don't understand boys."

Many children come in to school with the expectation that they can argue with female teachers, and we'll eventually backdown and that an instruction or sanction doesn't have to be taken seriously until a man issues it. Because that's what happens at home.

I've been complained about many times by the mother of one boy in my class who thinks that a) I just need to be kinder to her son and b) I just need to accept that I can't have the same expectations of the boys as I do of the girls.

I've been complained about many times by the mother of one boy in my class who thinks that a) I just need to be kinder to her son and b) I just need to accept that I can't have the same expectations of the boys as I do of the girls.

Just to add, she didn't have that expectation of the male teacher he had last year because, well he was a man and so she automatically deferred to his higher authority.

Thanks for mansplaining family court to us, Laidbackguy. Something many women here know all too well. They may see it differently.

Average pay for teachers is broadly in line with other similar jobs which men tend to work in such as engineering, IT, construction etc. so I don't really buy that argument.

All of those jobs pay way more than teaching IME. Unless you're talking heads of year etc. Most teachers I know aren't making over £40k whilst the guys onsite I work with often make way more than this. One of the young lads I was talking to last week is early 20s and just got a job as a tower crane operator on £55k.

Wow think I need to look into training to become a tower crane operator!

According to the ONS, 14% or primary teachers are male, 19% of deputies are male and 24% of heads are male. If you take in to account men not typically having career breaks for children and on average working more hours these figures aren't hard to explain.

On the other hand there are actual government funded bodies demanding things 50% of engineers be female despite only 16% engineering graduates being female.

Germaine Greer saying we will never know how much men hate us (or whatever the quote is) - I always wondered what it would look like the other way around. I read this future dystopia (utopia?) book, called it’s a (wo)man’s world. I like it. Turns out that (in fiction world at at least) we are both worse but also better…

Not a good job if you don't like heights though! And I'm pretty sure they take a bucket up with them for when they need a wee. 😂 It's a long way back down.

This is only my opinion but Germaine Greer comes across as a bit of a miserable old trout to me. 😂

No we need to just live on our own women-only continent away from the feckers!