They hate us don’t they?

[Dargawn]

I notice all over social media that when it comes to taking the piss or highlighting a particular annoying type of character then ppl will default to the feminine. So, it might be a meme taking the piss out of the office gossip. It’s a woman; or doing an impression of that annoying jobsworth in the corner, it’s ‘Brenda’. Or focusing on a ‘gullible lefty’, then it’s a ‘women’s studies’ lecturer; or someone who is fake - always a woman, or a gold digger - always a woman.

like all the contempt in the world is directed at women.

Gay men do it, straight men do it, old men do it, young men do it.

they hate us don’t they?

The sentiment of the post is not about women’s rights or men’s rights or equality. Or who has it harder. It’s about how indifferent and/or negative men are about women on a base level.

i can’t really see how this is ‘hysterical’ and yes I agree that this accusation kind of does prove my point but maybe that was intentional. ‘Calm down dear’.

women are trivialised. Made small. Patronised.

i think if you are a woman and you get to live to old age, you will one day know this to be true.

yes men will lift women up, when they are young - you don’t have to be beautiful.

it gets worse as you get older and you suddenly start to see how middle age women and old ‘grannies’ end up on the receiving end of the disgust.

Nobody here is. Also, that's not a question.

@Dargawn I think someone has already mentioned Victoria Smith's Hags which covers all of this. Men are attracted to young women. It's all about what men want and don't want. They are inherently selfish and self absorbed, most end up causing harm to those around them in some way, all the while, doing what they want and usually coming out on top by screwing women over. I get that you are trying to make this point outside the feminist or women's rights sphere, but I'm afraid you are avoiding this erroneously. This is a feminist point. It is a women's rights issue. Those are not dirty words. Feminism is not a movement of hags in the way men would have us all believe. It is simply women who want women not to be hated and treated with some decency and respect.

i think if you are a woman and you get to live to old age, you will one day know this to be true.

yes men will lift women up, when they are young - you don’t have to be beautiful.

it gets worse as you get older and you suddenly start to see how middle age women and old ‘grannies’ end up on the receiving end of the disgust.

I am a 60 year old woman. The men I encounter treat me no differently than they did when I was younger. I didn't need their approval then and I definitely don't need it now.

I've never felt trivialised, made small or patronised. I knew my own worth.

All this only matters if you care about mens' opinions or seek their approval. Age has made me realise that caring about the opinions of others is a barrier in itself.
I've lived my life on the basis of Don't get mad, get equal and I'm pretty chuffed with how things turned out.

I'm going to bow out now as I think I'm seeing this from a different angle. For what it's worth I thought Victoria Smith's book was flawed and almost unreadable because it treated all men as a homogeneous group. There is no 'they all' with men or women.

You speak like this is a universal truth. I'm an older woman. I don't feel patronised, trivialised or made to feel small. Men are perfectly nice to me, respectful. I don't feel hated.

It isn't 'a space for women'.

I'm the same. I just don't see all these awful, self serving men. I think that women who have this view of men have had some bad experiences and are extrapolating and also cherry picking. Obviously, I'm not saying that there is no problem with male violence. There very much is. But this massive disdain for women is just not something I have ever experienced. I have known kind, helpful and nurturing men and women who were just the opposite, as well as vice versa.

@MsLuxLisbon I think the website name rather gives it away. But as I pointed out, the lingerie section in M&S isn't restricted exclusively to women either. Yet I defy any woman not be creeped out by men hanging around there. Worse still would be a strange man coming over to "chime in with a view" on your choice of knickers. Men are utterly incapable of resisting their urges to constantly butt into women's lives and conversations to mansplain how they think women should think and act. It makes me 🤮

Modern feminists have done about as much good women as idiots glueing themselves to roads in london have done for the public perception of climate change.

Yep they all do, old young, foreign local, straight gay and even the ones who claim to be a woman

No, they don't. Some do, some don't. I don't see how these generalisations help us at all.

Obviously I’m exaggerating but there’s truth underneath it!!

There are cultural biases against women, but there also are against men. I don't really find exaggerations like 'they all hate us' very helpful. It is better to call out problematic behaviour as and when it happens than make blanket statements.

Yes, woman does have to be beautiful.
Men treat ugly women like trash.
Or like they are invisible.
Women don’t have to wait until they are old to see what men are really like.
They just have to be ugly.
And it won’t be ’just’ be about made to feel small or patronised, it will be full on abuse.

In addition to this, the men I have known who have been the worst, most awful to women, have also been horrible to men as well.
Just all round unpleasant people.

Indeed.

The tag line is 'By parents, for parents'.

You could argue that a father is more appropriate a poster here than a childless woman.

And yet a fat woman will find a date much easier than a fat man.

Nah, don’t agree, at all.
You see fat men with partners (often times with non-fat women) all the time.

Also, fat means ugly to you?

@Laidbackguy "Modern feminists have done about as much good women as idiots glueing themselves to roads in london have done for the public perception of climate change."

What do you mean by "modern feminism"?

I certainly can't think of any chubby male heart throbs like I can curvy female celebrities.

A fat man with money will often get a beautiful girlfriend but it's doubtful whether she'd stay if he went bankrupt. Big bums are a modern beauty aesthetic for women but nobody wants a man with junk in the trunk. 🤣

There is this. And I agree. Maybe it's good to recognise that there is no such thing as a nice person being sexist and that a mysoginist person is just horrible - and are probably even horrible to themselves as well as everyone else they meet.

Maybe we can say that men have a proclivity for bullying and have waaaay too much entitlement.

I think it might be the entitlement that does it actually. They think they are entitled to put people down, to force their own interests through at the expense of others, to use their superior physical strength to their advantage.

We become invisible at about 35 to men unless we stick two great bazookas on the front of our chests.

My daughter and her friends are all attractive and all aged 18. They were all talking the other evening how the prime age they were cat called from white vans was aged 13! It wasn't a few isolated incidents either. These men go home to families and their own children. It's quite sick to be honest.

i like, love and appreciate women.

yes indeed, the female prophet of our times

You need to stop thinking like this and get on with your life. Like someone else said - you will find what you look for, and overlook what doesnt suit your narrative.