Conscription for women

[Mambo19866]

I’ve just read what the head of Army has announced on DM that it’s likely conscription is to return if the conflict with Russia escalates. Reading up on it and asking some people who I believe are in the know they seem to think this might be first war where women will be expected to fight on the front line. I’m going to be honest this terrifies me is anyone else ready to die in a ditch in Russia somewhere? I thought these days were over but apparently even with atom bombs we still have to duke it out the old fashioned way.

@Mambo19866

It doesn't make rape better or worse it's just another thing that can be used. It's Something that can only be used against a women.

I don't think it's comparable.

Can I just ask is getting raped worse than what happens during war to men? They don’t just get shot. I watched ww2 interviews from dday vets on YouTube and just one example was watching his friend getting stabbed over and over again in the face until he died another watched his friends gets burned alive. Can you explain what makes rape worse than these things? And if it doesn’t then it’s not a very good excuse why women shouldn’t be on the front line.

I shouldn’t worry. I’m betting our government will know exactly what a woman is once they need us to become pregnant to continue the British population and to look after the current children. They’ll send the men first in all likelihood and want us to graft to keep Britain running as we did in WW2 (which often is forgotten).

However, I think it’s a farce considering how they’ve been treating the men who are willingly part of our armed forces or trying to be. Suddenly when it comes to shove they’re needed and important again?

https://news.sky.com/story/fury-at-lack-of-sanction-for-raf-over-botched-diversity-drive-as-soldiers-face-10-000-fine-for-getting-drunk-12934256

British patriotism is lacking in 2024 and the ruling elites did this by creating culture wars, shame of British culture and trying to divide us all based on characteristics. Good luck to them arming a nation of people who are rightly peeved off and at their wits end, seems a clever move!

This

Ye but the point being no one else deserves to suffer in another one’s place just because of the gender they happen to be. It kind of feels like women want their cake and to eat it too lots of double standards here.

I meant this. You have written what I tried to say very effectively and eloquently.

@IdleAnimations Im 50 so that ship has sailed although im child free by choice anyway.

I hate the idea of younger women who dont want kids being emotionally blackmailed and pressured into it though.

The thing that concerns me is that the younger generation are very concerned about individuality, lgbt, freedom of expression etc. everything that we are told Russia/putin is against- will that encourage young people living in a country with declining standard of living to be willing to fight?

These are ‘luxury beliefs’. Self-indulgent principles for the privileged.

There is no identity politics in a war zone. Other than ‘friend’ & ‘enemy’.

I didnt even want my own kids Im not looking after other peoples.

.Ye but the point being no one else deserves to suffer in another one’s place just because of the gender they happen to be. It kind of feels like women want their cake and to eat it too lots of double standards here.

IMO there is still no equality for women so I'm not sure what this cake even is that you say women have?

Women are still held to higher standards than men are. Women still get ignored by GPs whilst men get treatment for the same condition. Back problems for example. Women still get paid less for doing the same job.

I think we can all agree that men are lucky not to have to give birth because it's bloody painful.

Women can be mentally as tough as men but basic biology dictates that it's not generally practical to conscript women to front line services. Not because they want men to suffer in their place but because of the ways that women can be oppressed which would prove to be a hindrance.

That was my first thought too.

@Mambo19866 sex does need to be considered though.

Traditionally, Special forces are men.

Because of their physical and mental attributes. Not all but for some things men are better suited because of that.

Just as women as better suited to other things or other ops or specific situations because of their mental or physical attributes.

Ie in some countries they have women operatives who are sent in because they know men will accept them. Red sparrow film etc etc.

I'm a feminist. I'm ex forces. I'm all for equality but I have had to accept that some things are better suited to males and vice Versa.

Whether we like it or not, physically we are different and come with different limitations and risks in the case of war.

If we don't recognise this then, it will be seen as a weakness in a war like situation and the enemy will use that.

It is what it is.

Special forces or not it all still applies.

God I took ages typing that but I fucked it up.

Men do not have any special attributes than women have.

Sorry everyone

I would have thought the same, however think about Covid and how the general public typically responded. We are given very little scientific evidence for the largest restriction in public freedoms since WW2 and yet the majority complied. Anyone who questioned (me!) was labelled some sort of dangerous liability to public health.

People went over the top with compliance! So I think people would comply and it would be seen as anti-British not to.

But then the almighty let down we all felt after the government showed their really colours . partygate for one ..
Compliance will be less so imo

I totally agree, I just meant in times of war, the biological differences of male and female are highlighted more than ever to those in power as well as our enemies. Women are predominantly raped to attempt forced impregnation/ethnic cleaning and trauma or just seen as child carers, men are used for front line tasks due to strength and usually less risk than sending a female for certain reasons. To those moving the chess pieces we are merely numbers to action X task for the countries success and that is usually based on our sex/deemed suitability for tasks.

Even without war, women are being blamed for the low birth rate in Britain which has ‘economic consequences’. It’s not about our feelings or needs nor it typically needing a males involvement, it’s about us ‘doing it for the country’. It irks me no end, even when some of us have chosen to have kids and care for them.

Hope I’m making sense and not rambling too much. Either way I hope this is just a distraction technique or a way of getting our armed forces more funding. I don’t want any of our country to have to go through what I’m seeing in Ukraine although I’m proud of the british armed forces support I’ve seen with equipment and training being given.

Fucked it up again.

Men do not have any more special attributes than women.

Someone help me I know what I meant

You can't really compare Covid deniers with this. It's apples and oranges.

Earlier in the pandemic I would have agreed with you, but there is now widespread public cynicism. Corruption and rule breaking amongst politicians and their cronies has become normalised.

I was anti lockdown but had the vaccines so not a Covid denier But as @bluefrog11 says you wernt even allowed to disagree.

If we get to that point we are fucked anyway I think

Surely the quarantines were only because everyone was being exposed to a new virus all at the same time? So that's why the hospitals were getting overrun.

I think the government didn't want to do quarantines at all but were probably warned that if they didn't, many HCPs would walk out due to the chaos and stress of having to choose who to treat?

Pretty much this. I also don’t believe we’d be being prepped so much in the MSM which we know Russia also keep an eye on…

Side note - Thank you for your service to the forces too. 👏

Just which country do you think that might be? If it comes to all out war with Russia every country in the world will be involved.

I’m struggling to see how you think women are still disadvantaged compared to men? Most people in prison are men most people who die in war are men. Women statistically are way more educated than men, life expectancy of men is lower and if looking at hourly rates of pay are paid more on average than men for the same job (media likes to say men get paid more but it only looks like that because they only show the annual income and not total hours worked for that income and men work more hours due to women having different life priorities which ofc means the average per hour is higher for women). I think you look at a small subset of highly successful men and assume they all get those advantages it’s just not true.

Russia are no threat.
Massive corruption and lack of investment has lead to their prized aircraft carrier falling to pieces and becoming unusable.
They rely on throwing huge numbers of poorly trained soldiers and tanks at the enemy. The tanks have to be basic enough for poorly trained people to drive and are severely outdated and can be easily destroyed from above via hand-held rockets the Ukrainians own designed to do just that. Some of the latest Russian soldiers are being sent to the front without ever holding a gun.
Russia might just be able to scrape a win in Ukraine but against any western country's army it would be a humiliating disaster for them.