Mother arrested in front of child by Met over bus fare (that she had paid!)

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Why was this woman arrested like this!?! Her poor child!

According to other Tweeters, she had paid her bus fare BTW.

Lndnmummy why was your post deleted?

Seriously? Watch it again. The guy filming is told by the police that the situation is nothing to do with him. He then says "that's my sister" in order to remain there and continue filming.

He is not related to the woman FFS. I know many people (especially black people) who would say the same in that scenario - they don't trust the police and want to be able to continue filming.

The guy didn't know the full facts as he'd only just turned up but he suspected she'd been wrongfully arrested and handcuffed and wanted to film so he had 'evidence'.

Yup.

I can only wonder why she didn't want to show the card that she had tapped in on....

What are you suggesting?

The flat fare is £1.75. The penalty fare, if she hadn’t paid (which she had), is £40 if you pay within 21 days.

I don’t want someone handcuffed over a non violent crime where the most likely outcome is a £40 fine.

I think the suggestion is that the card wasn’t hers. Which could explain a reluctance to show it.

Though presumably the inspector was only going to check that the card had been used to pay for the bus ride, which is frankly all TFL is interested in. I doubt if they are linked to a data base of misused or stolen cards.

I agree - so unbelievably heavy handed and I KNEW it would be a WOC before I opened the link.

Police have no time to investigate murders, sexual assaults and other serious crimes. People committing millions of pounds worth of financial crime are walking around scott free. But they have FOUR police officers to spare to handcuff and manhandle a mother in front of her child for 2 pounds!!! amazing!!

If you don't this has anything to do with racism, then please tell me of an incident where police has done something similar in chelsea or belgravia to a posh white woman in her Boden's. Would never happen in a million years.

Let's say the woman in this instance was illogical and refused to show proof of ticket. Then give her a penalty. Job done. Move on. What was the need to handcuff and arrest a mother travelling with a child for TWO pounds!!

Absolutely disgusting to see all the "feminist" mumsnetter's supporting police violance against a mother and refusing to even comment on the trauma caused to the child. Shame on you.

But this is not some dystopian future, deciding to arrest over a bus fare is absolutely disproportionate. I know women who can’t get their exH’s arrested for fucking violence and harrasment yet the Met happily take the easy wins. It doesn’t matter why she didn’t show her ticket - it should not have resulted in an arrest FFS. And and BTW those questioning why she didn’t show her ticket - trying being a POC with police from a notoriously racist force confronting you and decide how much ‘yes officer no officer’ you wanna be

This is a good point. When I last went to London and used the Tube my contactless card didn’t actually get charged for 2 days

@Ecclesfreckles "....He was recently trying to arrest a female suspect who had fled the scene of a robbery... The woman bit him and drew blood....If you want to know fear - it is trying to do your job while a baying crowd shouts "kill the pig"

How is this situation even remotely comparable to the one we are discussing now? What is the worst crime that this woman could have done - that she dodged £2 in bus fare. Since you know so much about policing, enlighten us on what should have been the standard police protocol in this instance please?

They are only 'feminist' if it's white women.

They don't even understand that it's even worse for black women.

I genuinely can't believe people are actually defending this reaction from the police.

The white woman with bike acting irrational and clearly racist ended up with $100,000 in a go fund me page.

It's just been insinuated this woman didn't show her card because it wasn't hers.

@viques - "Exactly this. Lots of people try to get away without paying " and how many of those people been handcuffed and arrested for that? And should they have been?

"If you are wondering why the handcuffs, they are to stop people possibly accessing hidden weapons , dumping drugs, doing a runner, or attacking someone. All of which can happen when someone is detained, even by a number of officers."

@viques - So you are arguing that handcuffs were necessary in this instance to stop this woman from "accessing hidden weapons , dumping drugs, doing a runner, or attacking someone.". Just say "All of which can happen when someone is" black. FFS!

To be fair to the feminists, it only was only merely 2 or 3 years ago they discovered that the police has a few bad apples. Mind you, just a few.

I imagine that many people caught fare cheating will cough up the penalty fare without too much fuss, but if they look as though they are going to do a runner then yes, why can’t they be detained. Do you honestly think that fare cheats are caught on their first offence? People who are determined not to pay will probably have been travelling free subsidised by honest people for a long time. Just like drink drivers, flashers and shoplifters very few will be caught first time, though of course they will claim that they have been.

obviously being done deliberately.

@Soontobe60 on other threads "Let’s post photos of those Queens who stand up for women."
now I know they just mean white women

Your words, not mine. If you are naive enough to think that white people don’t carry weapons, drugs , attack or run away from the police then you obviously don’t live in my area.

As it's only a few hundred yards from where one of their colleagues was shot and killed in the custody suite by somebody who had concealed a gun in their clothing, I think cuffing people under any circumstances, including compliance, is significantly more likely in any event. That doesn't mean I think it's right, but they got it spectacularly wrong with searching and cuffing in a way to prevent accessing weapons at the cost of an officer's life only recently.

@viques So you think people caught cheating pay the penalty fare on the spot? And what do you think happens if they make a fuss? Please take a look at this article from tfl - https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/penalty-fares-and-how-to-pay-them. If you are given a penalty fare, you pay for it later and there is an option to appeal. No one is standing over you, forcing you to pay it on the spot. that is not how it works.

If the woman in this instance was refusing to show her ticket, she should have been given a penalty fare. like it's done with everyone else. There was no need to handcuff or arrest her. Unless you think the law should be applied differently to black women.

Interesting you go on and on about cheaters and shoplifters, when it's a known fact that the woman in question was not one

@Pablacass I have not seen anyone on this thread say that it is ok that she refused to show she had paid. what people are saying is that the police response was disproportionate to what she did. Do you agree? Or do you think that mothers should be handcuffed and arrested in front of their children for not refusing to show their £2 bus ticket?

@BombasticSideEye seriously. Absolutely disgusted seeing the mental gymnastics some of the "feminists" on here are making to justify this act. Now I understand that their version of feminism includes only white women

TBH I’m gobsmacked there are still people that believe a word Met officers say - especially when defending the clearly heavy handed behaviour of a black woman.

In the video the woman clearly starts to explain her side and then stops,, to start protesting that she was being handcuffed.

Believe the police all you like but if this was an upper middle class white man in a suit it would not have escalated to this.

Is it just me or do they appear to be searching her child’s rucksack?

Black people complying with police can lead to violence, false accusations and even death. I don’t blame them for being hostile and police seriously need to work to gain back the public’s trust

I know you weren't replying to me but I've said 'they don't understand it's even worse for a black woman'...obviously meaning feminists who cannot see the difference with how it does affect black women...

but I am white and will never understand either so I apologise because that sounded as if I know what black women go through and I do not and never will - I only know from what others have told me what they have experienced and I absolutely believe them. And also what I've read and what I have seen with my own eyes in videos. But really I just believe people when they tell me about something that I can never truly understand.

That was my point but I worded it badly.

I see my white privilege. I've spoken to my children about white privilege. When I watched the Emmett Till film with my DS (15) he was horrified naturally, and I explained this would never have happened to him because of his skin colour.

While I obviously don't know any better than any other white person, the reason this post has gotten to me so much is people are not even trying to hide their ignorance. People with experience are literally telling you 'this is our experience, this is my experience' and so many are saying 'nope, I know better'.

I mean WTF? If you can't even attempt to educate yourself, you're not educating your children and on and on it goes.