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Hate the term real women have curves

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Beanscene · 30/06/2023 15:40

I know this has probably been done to death, but I honestly hate the term 'real women have curves' , only 'dogs like bones' etc etc etc.....i hear and see it everywhere!!!! Another way to body shame women and to make women feel the only relevant thing about them is their body. You'd think this would have died down but I feel its become worse

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sevenbyseven · 05/07/2023 09:23

Mummy08m · 05/07/2023 09:19

How is this more acceptable to say than eg saying" plus sized female models look like fat older men"?

It's not acceptable. A woman is a woman, not a man or boy. Whatever size she is. Some sizes are healthier than others, no doubt. But this pp I'm quoting is part of the problem that op is referring to

I agree. Women are women whatever size they are. We don't say men are unmasculine or womanly if they're under or over weight.

PiIIock · 05/07/2023 09:39

I thought this too - particularly when many of the female models looked more like pre-pubescent boys.

Why would you say that? 😳

To be honest, o feel like anyone who attacks another's fu like this has deep seated insecurities and wants to fee superior to someone else because their self esteem is rock bottom, often understandably 😬

@Westfacing

BuffyTheCat · 05/07/2023 09:40

The phrase doesn’t bother me if it’s used in the context of critiquing the social pressure on young women to maintain unrealistically low body weight. There’s considerable under-representation of average sized women in film, TV, music etc, and I do think that needs to be challenged. Not sure ‘real women have curves’ is the best way to go about that, but slogans can be effective.

However, in the context of body shaming individuals it’s horrible.

LuciferRising · 05/07/2023 09:53

I thought this too - particularly when many of the female models looked more like pre-pubescent boys. - the poster is likely on the windup.

Chocolateship · 05/07/2023 09:56

BuffyTheCat · 05/07/2023 09:40

The phrase doesn’t bother me if it’s used in the context of critiquing the social pressure on young women to maintain unrealistically low body weight. There’s considerable under-representation of average sized women in film, TV, music etc, and I do think that needs to be challenged. Not sure ‘real women have curves’ is the best way to go about that, but slogans can be effective.

However, in the context of body shaming individuals it’s horrible.

That doesn't mean shaming of making slim women feel lesser than is fair though. Surely the every body is x, y or z should include everyone and not single out a certain body shape as being a negative- that's the opposite surely of the aim?

Chocolateship · 05/07/2023 09:59

LuciferRising · 05/07/2023 09:53

I thought this too - particularly when many of the female models looked more like pre-pubescent boys. - the poster is likely on the windup.

Sadly I doubt it, many women think this way. One of my close friends is very naturally slim- she does exercise as she plays sport to a high level and does eat a balanced diet but she is healthy in doing so and doesn't take it to extremes, a big part is genetics. People (women mainly) often make comment to her in the streets or if we are out you can hear them behind her back presumably for daring to not be overweight- often about dogs and bones, looking like a teenage boy or whatever else; it's disgusting but doesn't evoke nearly as much outrage as people calling others fat, its sad as both are bad.

newrubylane · 05/07/2023 10:09

It's horrible. I have always been naturally thin, nothing I can do about it. Entirely normal for women in my dad's family, many of whom are similar. I am perfectly happy as I am, but I hate that people seem to think I'm fair game for weight comments like this.

Beanscene · 05/07/2023 10:22

In the past and am not exaggerating.... I have been called 'disgusting!' for being thin and I remember years ago a random man approached me in street and started to tell me that I was too thin and that is never get a boyf.... And how unattractive I was etc etc....i was definately within normal bmi for my height etc... I was early 20s so literally didn't know what to say at the time...but that never left me. And looking back on it.. am now probably the same age as that man at the time and I just think what on earth would possess a grown older man to go out of his way in his day to tell me how unattractive I was....🤬

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Justcashnosweets · 05/07/2023 10:25

Absolutely hate it. And I am a 'curvy' (fat) woman. Why are we we always trying to shame each others bodies?!

Minikievs · 05/07/2023 10:28

I've had a mum at the school gates say I look like a stick insect. I was about half a stone under my current weight so was definitely very slim, but FFS.
I'd NEVER walk up to another woman and say "you look like a barrel" if she was overweight.
But eye rolling and insults about being "too thin" are more acceptable.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 05/07/2023 10:35

@Chocolateship

One of my close friends is very naturally slim- she does exercise as she plays sport to a high level and does eat a balanced diet.

Doesn't sound like she's 'naturally slim.' Wink

Anyway @Beanscene I do agree. I get sick of the 'only real women have curves' narrative. If fat-shaming is not OK, then thin shaming is not either...

And agree with a pp that it does seem to be coming from some not-so-slim women who are trying to convince themselves they are happy 'curvy...' It's a case of methinks the lady doth protest too much! Wink

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 05/07/2023 10:36

Minikievs · 05/07/2023 10:28

I've had a mum at the school gates say I look like a stick insect. I was about half a stone under my current weight so was definitely very slim, but FFS.
I'd NEVER walk up to another woman and say "you look like a barrel" if she was overweight.
But eye rolling and insults about being "too thin" are more acceptable.

Sounds like she was jealous.

Chocolateship · 05/07/2023 10:40

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 05/07/2023 10:35

@Chocolateship

One of my close friends is very naturally slim- she does exercise as she plays sport to a high level and does eat a balanced diet.

Doesn't sound like she's 'naturally slim.' Wink

Anyway @Beanscene I do agree. I get sick of the 'only real women have curves' narrative. If fat-shaming is not OK, then thin shaming is not either...

And agree with a pp that it does seem to be coming from some not-so-slim women who are trying to convince themselves they are happy 'curvy...' It's a case of methinks the lady doth protest too much! Wink

But she does things that the human body is made for. She doesn't go hungry or deprive her body of the things it needs, she doesn't exercise to a point where it causes issues or damage. She doesn't cause harm to herself to be slim as lots seem to assume people who are in shape do. She just isn't sedentary and doesn't eat a lot of foods that our bodies have issue with.

BCCoach · 05/07/2023 10:41

Chocolateship · 05/07/2023 09:59

Sadly I doubt it, many women think this way. One of my close friends is very naturally slim- she does exercise as she plays sport to a high level and does eat a balanced diet but she is healthy in doing so and doesn't take it to extremes, a big part is genetics. People (women mainly) often make comment to her in the streets or if we are out you can hear them behind her back presumably for daring to not be overweight- often about dogs and bones, looking like a teenage boy or whatever else; it's disgusting but doesn't evoke nearly as much outrage as people calling others fat, its sad as both are bad.

Exactly these comments are being levied at Kate Middleton on a particularly awful thread on the royals board at the moment - she is being described as "unfeminine" for basically being an athletic woman in her 40s.

Catcatca · 05/07/2023 10:43

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PopsicleHustler · 05/07/2023 10:45

@deydododatdodontdeydo awesome username.
Did you get it from the scouse policeman off THE BILL?.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 05/07/2023 10:52

PopsicleHustler · 05/07/2023 10:45

@deydododatdodontdeydo awesome username.
Did you get it from the scouse policeman off THE BILL?.

Haha, thanks.
No, it was from a Harry Enfield "scousers" sketch from many years ago (it's on youtube though).

Deadringer · 05/07/2023 10:54

Dotandtime · 04/07/2023 22:25

Oh. The context I've always assumed is curvy women trying to convince themselves. I've never thought that it might be an insult to those of us without curves. A shame that they feel the need but not a statement about other body types.

Thats exactly what I feel. I have been underweight and overweight, everything from very skinny to obese, and being fat is definitely the least socially acceptable.

ILikeDinosaurs · 05/07/2023 11:03

Hate this cliche. If I don't have curves am I fictional or something!?

I'm small with small boobs and I was told once by a female "friend" in front of a group that I was too much like a CHILD to be a "real" woman.

I told her loudly, 'No, I have the body of a 43 year old woman,[at the time] because that is what I AM." She shut up after that.

We're all different shapes and sizes, and we're all real.

sevenbyseven · 05/07/2023 11:12

BCCoach · 05/07/2023 10:41

Exactly these comments are being levied at Kate Middleton on a particularly awful thread on the royals board at the moment - she is being described as "unfeminine" for basically being an athletic woman in her 40s.

That's the thread I mentioned earlier - I thought it was on another forum but you're right it's on Mumsnet Sad

notacooldad · 05/07/2023 11:15

Yeah, I agree with you op.
I was a real women when I was too skinny at 7.5stone and 20 years old. I am still a women at twice that weight and nearly 3x the age!

lapit · 05/07/2023 11:34

Only women have described my body as boyish. Why never girlish? Well, we know why. Would be one strange boy, he'd have to have some sort of hormonal disorder! There's a reason why 'teen' is one of the most popular porn categories and it's not because men loathe skinny women...

Unsurprisingly, genuinely voluptuous women have never treated me this way. Your average C cup plain jain endomorphic types do all the time.

timetablesquare · 05/07/2023 11:41

I think the male/media vision of the "perfect" archetype is stick thin with big boobs, like many GQ models and so on (and who knows how many have had work done – fat transfer and other techniques as opposed to silicone implants can look very natural).

Of course there are definitely some people who hit the genetic lottery. But realistically, due to the fact that boobs are made of fat, most skinny women (like me) are going to be quite flat, and most women with nicely sized boobs won't be stick thin! No woman can win in GQ archetype world...

timetablesquare · 05/07/2023 11:43

@lapit why on earth are so many (c cup plain jane endomorphic.... which there's nothing wrong with) women describing your body....?

doorstopper123 · 05/07/2023 12:18

Never seen this. If i do, id comment though

Women come in all shapes and sizes