Pregnant NYC Bike "Karen" was the victim, not the agressor

[littleripper]

Trial by social media for a pregnant woman who cried when a man tried to steal the bike she's hired is tried and hung by social media, and put on unpaid leave from her job, with no evidence or investigation:

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a43920956/pregnant-nyc-karen-on-video-trying-to-steal-a-black-mans-citi-bike/

https://news.yahoo.com/receipts-show-hospital-worker-accused-170920174.html

It turns out she had paid for the bike and he has no evidence he paid. But he is not the subject of the internets wrath, no consequences for him.

I hope she takes her employers to court and wins a massive settlement. Surreal levels of misogyny and hatred directed to a pregnant healthcare worker who did nothing wrong at all.

Will this ever be recognised for what it is?

So yeah, men are a problem for black feminists but so are some white women.

I wouldn't qualify it with some because these posters are the same people who get seriously offended when people say 'some men' or 'not all men'.

If ppsters are ordered to say 'some white women', theweit's only fair to also say 'some men'. If we're going to unapologetically say MEN, as some are screaming, when we know it isn't all men, then it's fair to say WHITE WOMEN, knowing it isn't all white women.

No double standards allowed

Women crying is by no means as big a deal as men mugging, raping and murdering women. Or getting into violent fights with other men for white women.

Fixed it for you. Black and brown women often have to alert to both.

That's a fair point. This thread is a perfect example of white is right.

*be

Agree.

Are you saying that white women crying, and men mugging raping and murdering, hold the same level of threat, to anyone? Come on. I might need to be alert to being smacked on the head by a stray football walking across the park, but not in the same way I'm alert to being followed by a male in the park. Are you arguing in good faith?

What don't some of you understand?

Black and White women face the same dangers when it comes to men.

Black women face extra dangers when it comes to White women. It isn't usually compared to the dangers faced from men but it can also lead to that in some situations.

Capiche?

Children are conditioned about race and gender from early childhood. What you have written demonstrates that you are not cognisant of the conscious and unconcious bias to the lens through which you see the world nor are you trying to challenge said lens to understand a lived experience of others whose own lens has berm built up of many thousands of interactions with the world which are diffrent to yours. Unless you are telling me that you personally see many thousands of interactions, outside of the news and media, where men are rounding on women in the street, as you go about your business. Do better, be better.

A Black woman here was descended upon with names, swears and insults because she dared to see things from her own perspective and "play the race card", instead of the same women who are "for all women" disagreeing intelligently without resorting to low blows with subtle racial connotations. It always happens.

But you've never seen it, so it doesn't exist. End of.

This. White women's weaponised tears can cause mental and emotional trauma for many black women. Mental trauma can be as devastating as physical trauma.

Are you telling me that black women never get upset or frustrated during an argument and cry?
If I said 'black women do X' I'd be accused of stereotyping/racism. But it's okay to say white women weaponise their tears, to the extent that this is something black women have to be wary of.

And in this specific situation, I wouldn't agree that a white woman crying holds the same level of threat to those men, that their maleness holds for her.

Sums it up better than anything else I have read.

Are you telling me that black women never get upset or frustrated during an argument and cry?If I said 'black women do X' I'd be accused of stereotyping/racism. But it's okay to say white women weaponise their tears, to the extent that this is something black women have to be wary of.

A more apt question is:

Are you telling me that white women (I refuse to put "some" but we know it isn't all - for those who have their pitchforks ready) cry at the drop of a hat/fake cry when challenged by a man/black man/black woman or in any alteraction with said groups just to appear to be the one wronged/the victim and to make themselves look better in the eyes of onlookers; some will even go to the extent of accusing the person of what they didn't do and threaten to call the police knowing the likelihood of the outcome being in her favour?

Answer: YESSSSSSSSSSS!

Black women are telling you, that they do. They are met with endless whataboutary to explain away what they deal with on a way too regular basis. How can a white woman tell a black woman that what she is experiencing, isn't what she is experiencing?

Hence why these groups can be wary of 'white women tears'.

Because due to your lived experiences, and your white privilege that is the conclusion you make. Brown and black people and some white people who have witnessed time and time again how black men are dehumanised, othered, and made the aggressor, will draw a different conclusion. So we are where we are. ,

I believe there will be situations in which some women (black and white) will get upset/frustrated/scared and will cry in response to that. Other women will handle those situations differently.

I don't believe that white women en masse weaponise their emotions to deliberately intimidate or harm black women - I think they are no more or less likely to cry during an argument than a black woman.

I do agree that there will be individuals who will use whatever they have at their disposal to win an argument. Maybe you've met a disproportionately high number of those or maybe you are seeing their natural behaviour as a deliberate tactic - idk, I wasn't there.
But I certainly don't think you can be generalising about white women without that being as racist as white people making sweeping generalisations about black people.

That’s how I see it too. Had it been a group of white men, my reaction would have been the same.

#NotAllWhiteWomen

Fortunately for you and unfortunately for them, your 'belief' is not other people's reality.

But @HypocrisyRules you think it's enough white women that you can make a generalisation that this is behaviour that black women have to be on the alert for.

You think it's not? Why? Because your belief that it isn't trumps people's reality that it is?

TrudyProud, we have only your word that you are a black woman. I am surprised that you are making yourself look bad.

You refuse to look at the evidence posted here showing that the nurse had hired the bike.
She would have had to pay the bike-hire firm $1200 if she had let anyone else take it.
She has wrongly been suspended from her job.
All these are facts.

But I could say the same to you. You are similarly 'not cognisant of the conscious and unconcious bias to the lens through which you see the world nor are you trying to challenge said lens to understand a lived experience of others'. I saw a woman and a group of men, and assumed the group of men were the aggressors. Apparently you saw the same and assumed the opposite.

And yes, I do see examples of men 'rounding on' women, both subtle and not so subtle, every day. Don't you? Why are you so sure the woman here is in the wrong?