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Pregnant NYC Bike "Karen" was the victim, not the agressor

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littleripper · 19/05/2023 09:33

Trial by social media for a pregnant woman who cried when a man tried to steal the bike she's hired is tried and hung by social media, and put on unpaid leave from her job, with no evidence or investigation:

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a43920956/pregnant-nyc-karen-on-video-trying-to-steal-a-black-mans-citi-bike/

https://news.yahoo.com/receipts-show-hospital-worker-accused-170920174.html

It turns out she had paid for the bike and he has no evidence he paid. But he is not the subject of the internets wrath, no consequences for him.

I hope she takes her employers to court and wins a massive settlement. Surreal levels of misogyny and hatred directed to a pregnant healthcare worker who did nothing wrong at all.

Will this ever be recognised for what it is?

“Pregnant NYC Karen” on Video Trying To Steal a Black Man’s Citi Bike

“Stop fake crying.”

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a43920956/pregnant-nyc-karen-on-video-trying-to-steal-a-black-mans-citi-bike

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inamarina · 03/06/2023 16:53

Lndnmummy · 03/06/2023 09:58

100% This

Every single mother of black and brown children know how this went down. We know. Yet the endless 'whataboutery' from Karens will never ever stop. It is soul destroying. I can not fathom how people who are so invested in feminism and equal rights are so blind to racism. It is eye opening to say the least.

But the bike was under her name when this video was taken! Why should she have walked away?
Maybe she would have confronted white teenagers, maybe not, we don’t know.
Her behavior wasn’t perfect, but neither was the boys‘. Why did they film her and put the footage online?

aloris · 03/06/2023 17:02

Actually I think there is an actual ambiguity in the situation and both of them were partially right and partially wrong. The teen was using a program where subsidized users get 45 min of free/low cost use of the bikes under the condition they dock the bikes after 45 min and there is a short reset period of perhaps 5-10 min during which anyone else can rent the bike.

The ambiguity is in the validity of him physically holding on to the bike during the reset period and thus physically preventing anyone else renting the bike while he waits for the program to allow him to re-book a bike.

He thought that was an acceptable thing to do. In his eyes, physical possession counts as possession, even if he is not able to rent the bike because the reset period has not yet run out.

Her position is the opposite: that the bike is unrented at this time and therefore she has every right to rent the bike. Under her position, him physically holding on to the bike is an invalid choice that attempts to possess the bike (physically) even when he does not possess the bike (legally).

I think in fact she's correct that she had every right to take the bike. As the "self-own" video shows, the fact that she was able to put the bike on her account (as shown by the bike light being lit at the start of the video and the time on her receipt), the teen did not have rental of the bike at the time. The bike was available to rent, to anyone EXCEPT the teen who had finished his rental period. If the bike rental company were ok with the prior user using the bike indefinitely, the 45 minute time limit and the short reset period would not exist. The very existence of the reset period is evidence she was correct.

However I think she was wrong to attempt to take physical possession of the bike when he was holding on to it because the risk of unwanted physical contact was too high. Even if he was doing something wrong, that does not give her the right to touch him or put hands on him to take the bike. Her recourse would be to complain to the company, not to attempt to physically take the bike. He was correct that she should not have attempted to physically take possession of the bike, but I think he was wrong to think he had the right to physically prevent others from renting it during the reset period as it was not legally his bike during that time period.

QuintanaRoo · 03/06/2023 17:48

However I think she was wrong to attempt to take physical possession of the bike when he was holding on to it because the risk of unwanted physical contact was too high. Even if he was doing something wrong, that does not give her the right to touch him or put hands on him to take the bike. Her recourse would be to complain to the company, not to attempt to physically take the bike. He was correct that she should not have attempted to physically take possession of the bike, but I think he was wrong to think he had the right to physically prevent others from renting it during the reset period as it was not legally his bike during that time period.

she is adamant he was not physically touching the bike when she went up to it. That as she started to scan it he came running over/let her know he didn’t want her to have it. By then as far as she was concerned she was there first and it was hers. Obviously one of them is lying but I don’t know which.

diddl · 03/06/2023 17:52

The teen was using a program where subsidized users get 45 min of free/low cost use of the bikes under the condition they dock the bikes after 45 min and there is a short reset period of perhaps 5-10 min during which anyone else can rent the bike.

So there was no reason for him to prevent her having the bike other than he wanted it also?
Or he needed the same bike to benefit from the subsidy?

I'm guessing it was the last bike and there are no others nearby?

Beeswood · 03/06/2023 19:05

diddl · 03/06/2023 17:52

The teen was using a program where subsidized users get 45 min of free/low cost use of the bikes under the condition they dock the bikes after 45 min and there is a short reset period of perhaps 5-10 min during which anyone else can rent the bike.

So there was no reason for him to prevent her having the bike other than he wanted it also?
Or he needed the same bike to benefit from the subsidy?

I'm guessing it was the last bike and there are no others nearby?

My understanding is this was an electric bike, there are only so many electric bikes, the rest are ordinary bikes.
The kind friend gave her his bike which was probably electric too.

diddl · 03/06/2023 19:46

there are only so many electric bikes, the rest are ordinary bikes.

Of course!

That would make sense!😊

LifeIsPainHighness · 12/06/2023 01:21

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 19/05/2023 22:03

The concerted effort to convince us that the least violent, least criminal sector of society (middle aged and older women, race immaterial) are the greatest threat to that society is really something to behold.

Let's ignore the 98% of violent crimes committed by men. Let's forget ongoing enslavement/forced labour of Roma people, Uighurs, many people in Africa. Who cares about FGM, women being deprived of agency, women's economic disadvantage? What really matters is that some middle-aged women in developed countries don't complain in the right way.

If a 10th of the anger directed at "Karens" was diverted to solving injustice, the world would be a much better place.

Identity politics are a deliberate distraction from social injustice of all types. The people most harmed by them are the people who experience most social injustice - including black people and women. It's sad to see the people who have most to lose being suborned to cheer on their own oppression.

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Factswin · 31/12/2023 13:15

That's a lie. He did produce a receipt proving the bike was his.

fliptopbin · 31/12/2023 14:03

To be honest, the positions are reversed and poc are wrongly accused, stopped and searched, wrongly imprisoned all the fucking time., I really cannot get excited over a white woman getting a taste of what poc put up with all the time. So she lost her job and got a good dose of public disgrace -boo fucking hoo. African Americans have died for less.

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