Trial by social media for a pregnant woman who cried when a man tried to steal the bike she's hired is tried and hung by social media, and put on unpaid leave from her job, with no evidence or investigation:
https://www.bicycling.com/news/a43920956/pregnant-nyc-karen-on-video-trying-to-steal-a-black-mans-citi-bike/
https://news.yahoo.com/receipts-show-hospital-worker-accused-170920174.html
It turns out she had paid for the bike and he has no evidence he paid. But he is not the subject of the internets wrath, no consequences for him.
I hope she takes her employers to court and wins a massive settlement. Surreal levels of misogyny and hatred directed to a pregnant healthcare worker who did nothing wrong at all.
Will this ever be recognised for what it is?
Feminism: chat
Pregnant NYC Bike "Karen" was the victim, not the agressor
littleripper · 19/05/2023 09:33
“Pregnant NYC Karen” on Video Trying To Steal a Black Man’s Citi Bike
“Stop fake crying.”
https://www.bicycling.com/news/a43920956/pregnant-nyc-karen-on-video-trying-to-steal-a-black-mans-citi-bike
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 19:32
Any chance of you actually engaging in a discussion about the subject of this thread, or are you only here to lecture us?
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 19:12
"...while all women might struggle under the weight of the patriarchy, Black women must also overcome the burden of white supremacy and racialized class oppression in a way white women do not" ― Masterclass
a lot of bullying and hatred emerges in any movement which can't be questioned on its rightness
Posters on this thread trying to twist, and deny the alternative perspectives of those, with the same gender, but lived experiences, determined by the colour or their skin/ethnicity.
Beware of any movement that requires you to think in lockstep.
White women and women from different ethnic communities have the same problem, namely the Patriarchy.
@LangClegsInSpace
We are over there talking with black people and allies who meet us half way in our discussions.
We are over there talking because we don't play nicely with people who think they can summon us over like chattel. This is not 1750.
“Women of today are still being called upon to stretch across the gap of male ignorance and to educate men as to our existence and our needs. This is an old and primary tool of all oppressors to keep the oppressed occupied with the master’s concerns. Now we hear that it is the task of women of colour to educate white women – in the face of tremendous resistance – as to our existence, our differences, our relative roles in our joint survival. This is a diversion of energies and a tragic repetition of racist patriarchal thought.”
― Reni Eddo-Lodge, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
skullbabe · 25/05/2023 20:46
Ok now ask yourself why overwhelmingly black women who share your experiences of patriarchy see this situation different to you. The evidence is there to see - you just don’t accept it as such.
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 19:40
It's not about identifying with her, for me anyway. For me it's the assumptions about her motives, which we don't know.
One person might look at the video and see it's a white woman deliberately trying to get young black men in trouble. Another might see a woman on her own outnumbered by men physically stronger than her, scared and intimidated. We all view things through our own lens. But with no evidence, it is assumption, we don't know and can't prove her intent.
skullbabe · 25/05/2023 19:31
Many of you are very defensive because you identify with Sara - you don’t have to believe the black women on this thread when they tell you that what she did was racist but you need to question why a majority of black people think what she did was. I have been very charitable to Sara throughout - I understand what happened - look both she and the boy were being petty. Her pettiness had particular racist connotations. We won’t agree on this point here today but I would suggest going to spaces where black people are speaking to each other and listen to them speaking about this - really listen. You might begin to understand that it is not about the argument it is about what she did. Take care.
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 21:22
I did engage but I didn't get a discussion. I got the
same as every other black woman, mother of black children and/or other ally. Dismissed, and rridiculed Someone even tried to demand my presence like a dog. (Hey @LangClegsInSpace the 1750's called they want their colonial mindset back). I love a good debate but what is happening here in my opinion is a display of unadulterated white supremacy, not a debate. There is divison as someone pointed out but Black women don't owe loyalty to white women who want equal seats to men in a system that, strip searches their underage girls, kills their mothers in childbirth or allows those few women who enter the workplace on parity with their white female peers, to be left far behind within 10-15 years.
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 19:32
Any chance of you actually engaging in a discussion about the subject of this thread, or are you only here to lecture us?
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 19:12
"...while all women might struggle under the weight of the patriarchy, Black women must also overcome the burden of white supremacy and racialized class oppression in a way white women do not" ― Masterclass
a lot of bullying and hatred emerges in any movement which can't be questioned on its rightness
Posters on this thread trying to twist, and deny the alternative perspectives of those, with the same gender, but lived experiences, determined by the colour or their skin/ethnicity.
Beware of any movement that requires you to think in lockstep.
White women and women from different ethnic communities have the same problem, namely the Patriarchy.
@LangClegsInSpace
We are over there talking with black people and allies who meet us half way in our discussions.
We are over there talking because we don't play nicely with people who think they can summon us over like chattel. This is not 1750.
“Women of today are still being called upon to stretch across the gap of male ignorance and to educate men as to our existence and our needs. This is an old and primary tool of all oppressors to keep the oppressed occupied with the master’s concerns. Now we hear that it is the task of women of colour to educate white women – in the face of tremendous resistance – as to our existence, our differences, our relative roles in our joint survival. This is a diversion of energies and a tragic repetition of racist patriarchal thought.”
― Reni Eddo-Lodge, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 21:41
That's not discussion, that you hectoring other posters. Nobody here tried to strip search or kill anyone, what's the point of such hyperbole?
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 21:22
I did engage but I didn't get a discussion. I got the
same as every other black woman, mother of black children and/or other ally. Dismissed, and rridiculed Someone even tried to demand my presence like a dog. (Hey @LangClegsInSpace the 1750's called they want their colonial mindset back). I love a good debate but what is happening here in my opinion is a display of unadulterated white supremacy, not a debate. There is divison as someone pointed out but Black women don't owe loyalty to white women who want equal seats to men in a system that, strip searches their underage girls, kills their mothers in childbirth or allows those few women who enter the workplace on parity with their white female peers, to be left far behind within 10-15 years.
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 19:32
Any chance of you actually engaging in a discussion about the subject of this thread, or are you only here to lecture us?
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 19:12
"...while all women might struggle under the weight of the patriarchy, Black women must also overcome the burden of white supremacy and racialized class oppression in a way white women do not" ― Masterclass
a lot of bullying and hatred emerges in any movement which can't be questioned on its rightness
Posters on this thread trying to twist, and deny the alternative perspectives of those, with the same gender, but lived experiences, determined by the colour or their skin/ethnicity.
Beware of any movement that requires you to think in lockstep.
White women and women from different ethnic communities have the same problem, namely the Patriarchy.
@LangClegsInSpace
We are over there talking with black people and allies who meet us half way in our discussions.
We are over there talking because we don't play nicely with people who think they can summon us over like chattel. This is not 1750.
“Women of today are still being called upon to stretch across the gap of male ignorance and to educate men as to our existence and our needs. This is an old and primary tool of all oppressors to keep the oppressed occupied with the master’s concerns. Now we hear that it is the task of women of colour to educate white women – in the face of tremendous resistance – as to our existence, our differences, our relative roles in our joint survival. This is a diversion of energies and a tragic repetition of racist patriarchal thought.”
― Reni Eddo-Lodge, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 22:02
No but white feminists who refuse to acknowledge that whiteness can be weaponised are no better for black women than the patriarchy. You cannot see the racism because you choose not to. The only hectoring going on here is not by the black women. There is evidence galore to support all the black women have said about whiteness as a weapon.
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 21:41
That's not discussion, that you hectoring other posters. Nobody here tried to strip search or kill anyone, what's the point of such hyperbole?
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 21:22
I did engage but I didn't get a discussion. I got the
same as every other black woman, mother of black children and/or other ally. Dismissed, and rridiculed Someone even tried to demand my presence like a dog. (Hey @LangClegsInSpace the 1750's called they want their colonial mindset back). I love a good debate but what is happening here in my opinion is a display of unadulterated white supremacy, not a debate. There is divison as someone pointed out but Black women don't owe loyalty to white women who want equal seats to men in a system that, strip searches their underage girls, kills their mothers in childbirth or allows those few women who enter the workplace on parity with their white female peers, to be left far behind within 10-15 years.
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 19:32
Any chance of you actually engaging in a discussion about the subject of this thread, or are you only here to lecture us?
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 19:12
"...while all women might struggle under the weight of the patriarchy, Black women must also overcome the burden of white supremacy and racialized class oppression in a way white women do not" ― Masterclass
a lot of bullying and hatred emerges in any movement which can't be questioned on its rightness
Posters on this thread trying to twist, and deny the alternative perspectives of those, with the same gender, but lived experiences, determined by the colour or their skin/ethnicity.
Beware of any movement that requires you to think in lockstep.
White women and women from different ethnic communities have the same problem, namely the Patriarchy.
@LangClegsInSpace
We are over there talking with black people and allies who meet us half way in our discussions.
We are over there talking because we don't play nicely with people who think they can summon us over like chattel. This is not 1750.
“Women of today are still being called upon to stretch across the gap of male ignorance and to educate men as to our existence and our needs. This is an old and primary tool of all oppressors to keep the oppressed occupied with the master’s concerns. Now we hear that it is the task of women of colour to educate white women – in the face of tremendous resistance – as to our existence, our differences, our relative roles in our joint survival. This is a diversion of energies and a tragic repetition of racist patriarchal thought.”
― Reni Eddo-Lodge, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 19:12
"...while all women might struggle under the weight of the patriarchy, Black women must also overcome the burden of white supremacy and racialized class oppression in a way white women do not" ― Masterclass
a lot of bullying and hatred emerges in any movement which can't be questioned on its rightness
Posters on this thread trying to twist, and deny the alternative perspectives of those, with the same gender, but lived experiences, determined by the colour or their skin/ethnicity.
Beware of any movement that requires you to think in lockstep.
White women and women from different ethnic communities have the same problem, namely the Patriarchy.
@LangClegsInSpace
We are over there talking with black people and allies who meet us half way in our discussions.
We are over there talking because we don't play nicely with people who think they can summon us over like chattel. This is not 1750.
“Women of today are still being called upon to stretch across the gap of male ignorance and to educate men as to our existence and our needs. This is an old and primary tool of all oppressors to keep the oppressed occupied with the master’s concerns. Now we hear that it is the task of women of colour to educate white women – in the face of tremendous resistance – as to our existence, our differences, our relative roles in our joint survival. This is a diversion of energies and a tragic repetition of racist patriarchal thought.”
― Reni Eddo-Lodge, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
We are over there talking with black people and allies who meet us half way in our discussions.
You and your friends were over there picking apart, seriously misrepresenting and sneering at individual posts from this thread. @LilyMumsnet has now confirmed that there is a blanket ban on TAAT across the site. I am glad that has been made clear.
I read BMN fairly frequently and I learn a lot. I don't post there because it's not my space. I can't remember ever seeing the CRT enthusiasts over there meeting anyone half-way.
We are over there talking because we don't play nicely with people who think they can summon us over like chattel. This is not 1750.
No, the year is 2023 and you are on an anonymous internet forum where the rules basically boil down to 'play nicely' and the same rules apply to all of us across the site.
Nobody can 'summon' you 'like chattel' 
any more than anyone here can be 'silenced' unless they are banned. Post or don't post and post wherever you want. People will agree or disagree and will form opinions accordingly.
Stand or fall by your words, same as the rest of us, and if you want a private forum to have TAAT then set one up.
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 21:22
I did engage but I didn't get a discussion. I got the
same as every other black woman, mother of black children and/or other ally. Dismissed, and rridiculed Someone even tried to demand my presence like a dog. (Hey @LangClegsInSpace the 1750's called they want their colonial mindset back). I love a good debate but what is happening here in my opinion is a display of unadulterated white supremacy, not a debate. There is divison as someone pointed out but Black women don't owe loyalty to white women who want equal seats to men in a system that, strip searches their underage girls, kills their mothers in childbirth or allows those few women who enter the workplace on parity with their white female peers, to be left far behind within 10-15 years.
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 19:32
Any chance of you actually engaging in a discussion about the subject of this thread, or are you only here to lecture us?
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 25/05/2023 19:12
"...while all women might struggle under the weight of the patriarchy, Black women must also overcome the burden of white supremacy and racialized class oppression in a way white women do not" ― Masterclass
a lot of bullying and hatred emerges in any movement which can't be questioned on its rightness
Posters on this thread trying to twist, and deny the alternative perspectives of those, with the same gender, but lived experiences, determined by the colour or their skin/ethnicity.
Beware of any movement that requires you to think in lockstep.
White women and women from different ethnic communities have the same problem, namely the Patriarchy.
@LangClegsInSpace
We are over there talking with black people and allies who meet us half way in our discussions.
We are over there talking because we don't play nicely with people who think they can summon us over like chattel. This is not 1750.
“Women of today are still being called upon to stretch across the gap of male ignorance and to educate men as to our existence and our needs. This is an old and primary tool of all oppressors to keep the oppressed occupied with the master’s concerns. Now we hear that it is the task of women of colour to educate white women – in the face of tremendous resistance – as to our existence, our differences, our relative roles in our joint survival. This is a diversion of energies and a tragic repetition of racist patriarchal thought.”
― Reni Eddo-Lodge, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 21:38
I get that some posters are saying it's clear the woman is being racist. I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, but l don't see any proof of it. She didn't say anything racist or make reference to race. We cannot see her motives, only assume them. We don't know her behaviour was intended to cause harm. You can say behaviour like this has led to harm other times, but that isn't proof of her intent. I totally accept some people will see that video and make assumptions based on their experiences, but they are assumptions. The court of public opinion has judged her based on assumptions.
skullbabe · 25/05/2023 20:46
Ok now ask yourself why overwhelmingly black women who share your experiences of patriarchy see this situation different to you. The evidence is there to see - you just don’t accept it as such.
nothingcomestonothing · 25/05/2023 19:40
It's not about identifying with her, for me anyway. For me it's the assumptions about her motives, which we don't know.
One person might look at the video and see it's a white woman deliberately trying to get young black men in trouble. Another might see a woman on her own outnumbered by men physically stronger than her, scared and intimidated. We all view things through our own lens. But with no evidence, it is assumption, we don't know and can't prove her intent.
skullbabe · 25/05/2023 19:31
Many of you are very defensive because you identify with Sara - you don’t have to believe the black women on this thread when they tell you that what she did was racist but you need to question why a majority of black people think what she did was. I have been very charitable to Sara throughout - I understand what happened - look both she and the boy were being petty. Her pettiness had particular racist connotations. We won’t agree on this point here today but I would suggest going to spaces where black people are speaking to each other and listen to them speaking about this - really listen. You might begin to understand that it is not about the argument it is about what she did. Take care.
Lived experience is important but so too are facts.
When facts are twisted, denied, made up in the spaces between what we know, or when people present their perspective from their lived experience as if it was fact, and expect it to be accepted as such in the absence of any other evidence - then we are in a dangerous place because we have no shared sense of basic reality
Or this, which is a much more eloquent way to say what I was trying to say 
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