Anyone seeing misogyny in Liz Truss being asked to resign after 45 days but Boris Johnson staying in power for over three years

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Or was she just not tough enough to brazen out her mistakes?

I think she couldn't ride it out because her mistakes were not supported by an electoral mandate, so Tory MPs are fearing for their jobs. Boris had a huge majority in the last election so they supported him.

Also Boris never trashed the economy. There was definitely misogyny against Theresa May though.

Yes, I did. I commented on it to my husband who didn't see the issue. Go figure.

There is always misogyny in the mix with female leaders. Nevertheless, she needed to go.

Agree that it was more blatant with May.

For once I don't think misogyny is at play here, but I do think they used Truss to see what they could get away with (bottom line for Conservatives is to make them and their mates more money whatever the cost to the average person). Her ambition put her in that particular target sight, not her sex.

However, I will give her credit that she behaved perfectly during the national mourning period - I'd put money that BJ the buffoon wouldn't have managed that.

No she's gone because she is incompetent.

He went because he was sleazy.

Sleazy is distasteful but it doesn't cause soaring inflation and put the economy and jobs and pensions at risk

I agree with the pp who said there was definite misogyny at play for May. However Truss and Kwarteng blew the economy and had to go. Once she got rid of Kwasi for carrying out their shared plan her days were numbered

The three female PMs have all been a bit controversial. Although Thatcher and May had big problems to deal with (definitely don't think they would have got as much stick if they had been male)

Nothing went right for Truss.

She was really really crap though. And never won an election. Johnson won a landslide and at least could hold a conversation - mostly. He also didn’t detonate a bomb under the UK credit rating within a few days.

TM definitely suffered from misogyny within the ranks but I don’t think Liz Truss has enough pluses to say “she was great but misogyny got her out”. She couldn’t read the room. In big ways or small.

Trust was incompetent plain and simple, she trashed the economy with her henchmen. She couldn't stay.

May I always felt sorry for, I felt she was bullied by the boys club, ousted and isolated by their backbench behaviour.

Unpopular opinion but I liked May. I don't think she did anything massively bad (compared to many conservatives) she was "Ok" in my books.

I also believe Kwasi went because of mistakes he made in his mini budget, not because he’s surrounded by racists. He may be (don’t know them personally) but he was also….. really really crap.

Somebody can be both subject to appalling misogynistic abuse, and also utterly crap at their job.

Yes. Truss and May were used as scapegoats for their predecessors failures. This is why I'm hoping Penny Mordaunt doesn't come anywhere close to winning the leadership contest or the pattern will just repeat itself again.

Yes I'm sure misogyny played a part, but honestly she shouldn't have had even that many days, and nor should Boris. We should have a much better vetting process in politics, and should have a lot more power to get rid of them at the point that they become inadequate, dangerous or seriously bad at their job in any way

www.today.com/tmrw/glass-cliff-why-women-people-color-are-often-set-fail-t189060

I actually don't. She basically burned the economy to the ground in record time. Whether it was a male or female who did this, they would have to go. There was no recovering from it.

Nonsense. She had to go because she was dumb, naive and incompetent.

MajorCarolDanvers · Today 15:24
No she's gone because she is incompetent.

He went because he was sleazy.

Sleazy is distasteful but it doesn't cause soaring inflation and put the economy and jobs and pensions at risk“

yep, this ^

I don't see misogyny at all. Boris made mistakes around parties and untruths. She fucked the economy up - big difference.

No I don’t think there is any misogyny going in there.
Her chancellor, who was a man, lasted even less time.

The difference between her and BJ is

• Johnson has a charisma that she doesn’t have.
• she was actually worse than him, which is saying a lot. He didn’t manage to fuck up the economy the way she did in less than a month to start with. And he handled his u turns in a better way. And seeing how crap BJ was, that’s saying a lot tbh.

No

A,so I don’t think anyone could have brazen ut the mistakes she did, whether a man or a woman tbh.

Mysogyny is in inherent in Tory party politics but so is sheer downright nastiness across the board.

I think she was chosen as she was considered expendable - anything that they do now will be seen as nowhere near as bad and the next male will be handed a halo.

No. Boris was a competent politician with sadly poor morals or values.

Liz did a truly dire job in her short stint as PM, unrelated to her sex.

Yes. But she was also appallingly incompetent.