Anyone seeing misogyny in Liz Truss being asked to resign after 45 days but Boris Johnson staying in power for over three years

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Or was she just not tough enough to brazen out her mistakes?

I actually thought Boris's statement about the Queen was much more sincere and from the heart than Liz's.

It would only have happened if somebody else had taken the same actions. She was warned what would happen and did it anyway.

She was shit, but I think she was hounded by certain papers fat more than a male would have been .
Boris got away with fat too much being a" posh, cheeky, chappie", backed by all his equally cash grabbing, me, me , me firends.

Liz would have been torn apart by some papers ,over her policies, clothing and looks . Look at all the threads from women on here constantly saying how old she looked.

Boris lied and tried to disguise it as not knowing his own fucking policies and laws. Liz was desperate to be PM and made up(non workable ) tax cuts for rich people , which lets not forget, other Tories agreed with this and she became PM.
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They are both lowest if the low, but yes, iI believe she would have stayed as PM longer as a man. Boris got by in sheer arrogance .

@wincarwoo I am not defending her economic policy, but she is certainly not responsible for all our economic woes. They have been brewing for years.

Truss' mistakes were immediate, catastrophic and entirely predicable. She did what she said she'd do and exactly what practically every economist and ex Chancellor said would happen did indeed happen. Her arrogance was possibly even greater than Boris'. Who'd have thought that was possible?

True true. In a government she's been part of.

I think the danger is that the Truss tenure will potentially act as a deterrent for young women and girls to aspire to.high office. I think there may have been an undercurrent of a woman not being up to the job (obviously incorrect.but the time was there).

Obviously her economic strategy was woeful but I think as a relatively young woman in power this is not a great example for women in general.

I also feel going forward that her family aren't subject to any insult as she has teenage children I believe and they should have the right to avoid any criticism by association.

I don’t see misogyny, I just think she is clever but not politically clever enough. I also think she has been set up to fail but not because of her sex

Liz would have been torn apart by some papers ,over her policies, clothing and looks . Look at all the threads from women on here constantly saying how old she looked.

And look at all the threads on her about how fat, dishevelled and utterly repellent Boris is.
I’’m not entirely sure why Liz Truss was even in the running though. No one had really heard of her. A bit odd to put her up against Rishi and then win leadership. Seems like women become the fall guys.

Liz has a reasonable record imo. She did all the trade deals etc despite being a remainer. She was in charge when Nazanine was freed too something other FM’s could not do. The Tory membership obviously saw something in her.
but when I saw her cosplaying Thatcher I thought that was politically silly and wondered if her idea ( if so stupid idea) or her advisers ( if so stupid advisers)

I've heard her described by someone who worked with her as "unimpressive"

Also I think anyone who has had an affair should automatically be disqualified.

Charisma will get you places, and afford you greater tolerance if you fuck up - Johnson had bucket loads of it and Truss had none. You can be a decent PM without charisma but you have to be competent and willing to listen to the people who know more than you about certain things! I don't think even BJ would have survived this tbh. He got away with a lot because we were in a time of crisis, some things he did well and he came across as likeable. Maybe there is misogyny in there when it comes to how men are lined and trusted more than women, even when the man himself seems to believe in nothing!

I'll remember to feel sorry for Liz Truss while I'm paying my increased mortgage bill though.

One Tory activist said she voted for Liz ‘because she was a woman’ which was not a good reason. Liz had good intentions but was out of her depth economically. I listened to Andrew Neil last night and he said that her borrowing (or attempts) have been catastrophic. Instead of sticking to what she said in her campaign (of cutting taxes) she went much further and the markets jibbed at borrowing requirements and we are now in a position which is much worse. Why Hunt is having to calm the markets with tax rises. So it wasn’t misogyny but mismanagement I’m afraid.

Don’t use the misogyny card to make excuses for her reckless incompetence. She set fire to the economy. She was PM for 44 days, 10 of which were days of national mourning where she couldn’t do anything, yet she still managed to fuck things up spectacularly on the back of the policies she had campaigned on. They failed, she failed, she is dangerous and has no mandate. She had to go.

She accelerated what would have happened to the economy anyway. She is a great scape goat. Rishi Sunak will probably swan into the PM role and pretend it was nothing to do with him despite being chancellor for the last 2yrs.

Rubbish.
In the leadership election she said exactly what she would do and Rishi told her it would be disastrous.
The party chose her, she did exactly what she said she'd do and it was disastrous.
It wouldn't have happened anyway, stop making excuses for her.
If anything, she was selected because of racism.
Conservative MPs chose Rishi, but the members chose Truss, likely because she was white.

I have no sympathy for Truss and her dreadful policies at all, she should have gone.

But Boris is very good at a sort of male, authoritative manner that people fall for as leadership. People being interviewed yesterday were saying he was a 'leader' - he hasn't shown any substantial leadership in my view, but he can do a sort of powerful, establishment with some humour, male, upper class thing which unfortunately people seem to go for.

So I agree - not in any sense of feeling sorry for Truss, but in the way Boris gets away with the unforgivable.

I said as soon as she was elected: the Tories only elect women as placeholder PMs while they figure out who tbey really want. She was always going to be pushed out.

As for BJ, there were many many times in his Premiership when he should have resigned. He lasted so long because he had zero integrity and refused to resign when that was the honourable and conventional thing to do.

I’m actually very worried about UK democracy. Boris is a corrupt oligarch, to
bring him back after a short break when his faults are so known - it reminds me of when Putin let Medvedev be President for a term
to prove that Putin isn’t a dictator. Didn’t go well after that. Truss was one of BJ’s close friends, I think he got his supporters to vote her in because he knew he could control her, gave her a ton of bad advice then sat back and waited for the phone call inviting him back. It isn’t any different from how he shoved the country into Brexit to gain power.

And why doesn’t anyone care that he’s supposed to be a working MP and is being paid to be in Westminster but is currently on a long holiday in the Caribbean?

The country needs leadership not a corript buffoon. The Tories should unite behind Hunt.

Truss was utterly useless unless you were a swivel-eyed libertarian free-marketer, in which case she was an unprincipled dream come true. In her short tenure, she and Kwarteng paid back her backers in the fossil fuel industry and finance but torpedoed the economy in the process. It’s not misogynist to point that out.

Boris, on the other hand, is just your standard lying, elitist narcissist.

Not denying that racism was at play with regards to some members not choosing Rishi, but I think another major component was that he was seem as a centrist and there are a lot of right wingers in the party who felt that Truss stood for the types of change that they were after - Rishi is clever enough to realise that the UK relies on migration economically.

Meanwhile, Braverman (who Truss appointed as Home Secretary) wanted to reduce the numbers of migrants massively, which appeals to those who are ignorant enough to think we can go back to some sort of old self-sufficient Britannia with no economic fallout. She appealed to all those Brexiteer little englanders as a potential for change whereas Rishi seemingly stood for status quo.

Truss came in with a wild economic plan whereas Rishi stood for economic orthodoxy. This would've excited some members who, as we know, are tired of 'experts' (to paraphrase from the Brexit campaign).

It wasn't simply a move to set Truss up for failure. I think some party members sincerely hoped that she would bring in a wave of change to make Britain "great again". But all her tenure proved is that economic principles and "orthodoxy" are there for a reason (knowledge gained after centuries of trial and error). It wasn't quite the anti woman conspiracy some people seem to be implying it was.

Well said Caribou|Carafe. A good analyis.
The economic unorthodoxy she (and Kwasi) implemented scared the markets and the pound and everything crashed.

She screwed up and it's not misogynist to say so.

But the contempt shown for her even before she became Prime Minister - all this Thick Lizzie, Pork Markets stuff - that did have a nasty edge of contempt that might have had roots in misogyny.

I disagreed (vehemently) with her her over what was right, but I believe that she was trying to do what she thought was right. One of my main bugbears with her was she seemed to prioritise what was best for the tory party rather than what was best for the country.

I have never been so shocked and disgusted at my country as the windrush scandal and the hostile environment.

Playing the misogyny card here is irresponsible.

It weakens the word and makes people think that feminists use it as a get out of jail free card when a women messes up.

Why are there not more posts here? I don't understand.