Anyone seeing misogyny in Liz Truss being asked to resign after 45 days but Boris Johnson staying in power for over three years

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Or was she just not tough enough to brazen out her mistakes?

No. He was shit. But she was more shit

The misogyny was there all along and started with the very fact that there were 2 women in the final candidate list and that she won it. Women ALWAYS seem to get the top job right when things are as dire as they can be and then they get blamed for everything. She's been in power for 45 days. She absolutely has been a disaster, but that's after years and years of disastrous management so it's not like she drove things into the ground out of nowhere. But this way, a woman gets scapegoated. How convenient.

Boris and his cronies created a Tory party that is completely dysfunctional, unified, greedy, self serving etc. She is part of that now. But this idea that she's totally shit like it's all on her is ridiculous and deeply misogynist.

She didn't last long enough to face any misogyny!
Also she wasn't allowed to do the job because things were dire - things are a damn sight more dire after 45 days of her in charge!
She fucked things up. Her and Kwasi. Things are demonstrably worse now after 45 days of them in charge than before.
Not misogyny in this case.

BJ was charismatic, did some things well and at least gave the impression of authority. I quite like Liz Truss but she never gave the impression she knew what she was doing, came into a difficult situation and made it a hundred times worse. Theresa May I think was a victim of misogyny, she seemed a genuine person, intelligent and tried her best with little support and was bullied out. I say all this as a non Tory voter.

Theresa May I think was a victim of misogyny, she seemed a genuine person, intelligent and tried her best with little support and was bullied out. I say all this as a non Tory voter

Yes I'd agree with this.

No idea about truss but I agree that women are elected in difficult times when the men take a step back

It's all about the markets - they supported/tolerated Boris but were spooked by Liz, which then frightened MPs. Her economic ideas were actually pretty good, and more truly Conservative than what had gone before, but the timing was all wrong.

Well, I think trashing the economy and causing a financial crisis is pretty difficult for anyone to ride out to be honest.

Her mistakes have been monumental.

Boris is a prat but actually there were plenty of things he did well, the vaccination roll out and financial support during Covid were actually well managed.

Liz Truss didn't really have much time to prove what she could do well - although I have my doubts there would have been much success, even if she'd had more time. Rishi Sunak always seemed like having a more measured, safer approach to me.

I base my votes and confident on actions and policies, not sex or ethnicity.

And, of course, the economy is far more important than a few silly parties. Boris's only real mistake was to be too harsh with his Covid restrictions.

No, I think it was simply there’s no time for this after everything that’s gone so badly wrong before now, house has to be gotten in order.

They're always misogyny, whether you're a great or a terrible female PM. Just like there's always male privilege.

Interesting thread.

l loathed Tatcher from the very fibre of my being. But she didn’t seem to suffer misogyny. I don’t think people would have dared.

And yet today..

You've got to be kidding right?

It would be funny if the situation She had put millions of Britain's in wasn't so fucking serious.

Yes

Like it or not Boris was elected with a massive majority for his manifesto.

Liz was installed by the members. The MPs didn't really want her. She ripped up that manifesto and hurt everyone's pockets, including Tory voters. Her polling was terrible, much lower than anything Boris achieved.

It's not about misogyny. It's about a corrupt party only interested in self preservation.

I’m about as feminist as they come and I just can’t agree with you op, I’m sorry!

Theres always an underlying current of misogyny in politics so I don’t doubt there’s some element of truth in what you’re saying, but she had to go!

I don’t care what’s between your legs, when you make the huge mistakes she did you can’t expect to stay on as pm.

She made gigantic mistakes. She had to go.

No. She was out of her depth and she shouldn't have been given the job. I bet she's glad she's out of it now.

May was a broadly decent and conscientious person. And I think there was misogyny where she was concerned, yes. I don't see that with Truss.

May was decent? Really? Has the Windrush episode been forgotten already?

I have always thought that BJ has always been held to much lower standards than a woman would be, largely because he is a wealthy white bloke.

Having said that, he was elected by the public with a majority for his manifesto, he got the country through Covid, and although it was a shitshow at times and the public will never agree on every single decision made, between him and Rishi, I did kind of feel like things were in some way in control.

I can't understand how Truss fucked things up so spectacularly? It's not like she became PM and then some huge shift happened which threw her. In fact she had a couple of weeks when the Queen died to get some shit sorted away from the gaze of the public. I feel slightly sorry for her, she is one of the shortest serving leaders of a country ever, and most of those were because they died. What a terrible legacy!

I agree.
I think she was chosen because she was ambitious but not very bright.
She was a useful idiot.
She will make the next incumbent (Johnson possibly) look better than her.

I am appreciative if all of the responses.... it's all food for thought...

She didn't do all the thrashing on her own... where were the advisors, the ecomonists, the experienced civil servants.

The markets have held firm on other pension catastrophes, on bailing out the banks, on fixong the libor.. on going into unjustified wars ..

No, she was rubbish at her job and trashed the economy in record time

Where were the advisors you ask? From what I recall they were kept in the dark/ignored/fired/threatened (delete as applicable).

Remember they chose to ignore the OBR and conceal their findings despite MPs calling for them to reveal the findings in order to calm the markets?

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/30/office-for-budget-responsibility-to-give-forecast-to-chancellor-on-7-october

Remember Tom Scholar was the first to get booted and I doubt Kwasi did this without Liz's knowledge:

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/14/kwasi-kwarteng-sacking-tom-scholar-marks-shift-away-from-impartial-advice

No, they didn't fail due to a lack of expert advice. They failed because they were arrogant, came up with a bonkers budget that they didn't bother defending properly, and ignored any advice that went against what they wanted to hear

If Johnson hadn’t done so much to erode standards in public life I don’t think truss would ever have been PM tbqh