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Anyone seeing misogyny in Liz Truss being asked to resign after 45 days but Boris Johnson staying in power for over three years

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ChateauMargaux · 20/10/2022 15:06

Or was she just not tough enough to brazen out her mistakes?

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TheLassWiADelicateAir · 20/10/2022 22:01

The misogyny was there all along and started with the very fact that there were 2 women in the final candidate list and that she won it.

I don't understand your comment. The final candidates were Sunak and Truss. At stage 5 it was Sunak, Mordaunt and Truss. They should have picked Sunak.

Mumwithbaggage · 21/10/2022 00:01

No. She lacked ability, charisma, skill, humour, intelligence. She should never have been put in a position of power. Says a lot about members of the Conservative party. Misogyny has nothing to do with it - she's thick and fucking useless,

PorkPieAndAPickledOnion · 21/10/2022 00:18

ChateauMargaux · 20/10/2022 18:22

I am appreciative if all of the responses.... it's all food for thought...

She didn't do all the thrashing on her own... where were the advisors, the ecomonists, the experienced civil servants.

The markets have held firm on other pension catastrophes, on bailing out the banks, on fixong the libor.. on going into unjustified wars ..

She sacked the ones who didn’t agree with her and squirrelled around to find some who did. She just wants people to agree with her. This is well known and reported by people who know her, and ably demonstrated by the confederacy of dunces she put around the cabinet table.

Her mistakes were ideologically driven, an ideology to which she is so wedded that it’s impossible to separate the ideas from the person. Even now, she still doesn’t believe what she did was wrong, despite the ample evidence before her. Whoever had done such a thing would have to go. Don’t forget that Kwasi Kwarteng, her partner in crime, also lost his job.

Boris Johnson is a vile, lecherous, venal man but he was too lazy to be driven by anything, least of all ideology, and so was happy to be a figurehead for whoever was buying him lunch/a holiday/a job once he resigned, and leave the hard work to people who knew how to do it. Putting Brexit aside (much as I hate to say that), the country bumbled along under his benign neglect in a way which was much less instantly damaging than Truss’s, which brought the economy literally to the brink of collapse within days of starting work.

ControversialOpening · 21/10/2022 01:02

May was also incompetent, she made too many unforced errors.

CallieQ · 21/10/2022 01:15

Not misogyny she was totally useless

knitnerd90 · 21/10/2022 05:09

Boris was allowed to get away with far too much for so many years because he was posh and funny and played up his image. Plus he'd brought that electoral majority.

But Truss was horrendously incompetent, and that's really the bigger component by far. I'd agree that Theresa May got the rough end of the stick, as well as being set up to fail by having to deliver a Brexit that her party couldn't actually agree on.

J0yxPeace · 21/10/2022 05:12

I had assumed it was misogyny. I'm not in the uk. What did she do to the economy? How did she destroy it in 45 days?

Cuppasoupmonster · 21/10/2022 05:14

Nope she was shit

Making everything about ‘misogyny’ just cheapens the word and makes it look like a fallback used for everything

Ndd135632 · 21/10/2022 05:38

Boris ate a cake. Truss crashed the economy.

THisbackwithavengeance · 21/10/2022 05:50

NotLactoseFree · 20/10/2022 15:54

The misogyny was there all along and started with the very fact that there were 2 women in the final candidate list and that she won it. Women ALWAYS seem to get the top job right when things are as dire as they can be and then they get blamed for everything. She's been in power for 45 days. She absolutely has been a disaster, but that's after years and years of disastrous management so it's not like she drove things into the ground out of nowhere. But this way, a woman gets scapegoated. How convenient.

Boris and his cronies created a Tory party that is completely dysfunctional, unified, greedy, self serving etc. She is part of that now. But this idea that she's totally shit like it's all on her is ridiculous and deeply misogynist.

This.

However I don't really know if she was shit or not. She didn't get a fair crack of the whip. She brought in a policy which was always going to take time to work (or not) and immediately everyone jumped on her back and she was howled down without ever being given a proper chance. The whole thing was pointless from start to finish if her party was not going to support her and the Tories have made this country a laughing stock.

Shame on them.

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2022 05:54

No I agree with pp

He was elected by public so had mandate, had the partygate issue which was mostly whipping people up and she destabilised the economy

J0yxPeace · 21/10/2022 05:55

Cuppasoupmonster · 21/10/2022 05:14

Nope she was shit

Making everything about ‘misogyny’ just cheapens the word and makes it look like a fallback used for everything

So, she was genuinely shitter than Boris? In 45 days?

Don't forget Boris was being blamed for covid deaths at one point, but still he clung on for years.

She ''trashed the economy'' in 45 days. Really?

BCBird · 21/10/2022 05:56

No. Incompetence, lack of integrity yes.

Twoducksonthewindow · 21/10/2022 05:57

J0yxPeace · 21/10/2022 05:55

So, she was genuinely shitter than Boris? In 45 days?

Don't forget Boris was being blamed for covid deaths at one point, but still he clung on for years.

She ''trashed the economy'' in 45 days. Really?

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Yes

wincarwoo · 21/10/2022 05:59

Hbh17 · 20/10/2022 16:23

And, of course, the economy is far more important than a few silly parties. Boris's only real mistake was to be too harsh with his Covid restrictions.

His mistake was to cover up for his sex pest friends. That's what saw him off. Total lack of judgment.

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2022 05:59

Imo some of it was misogyny at the start - that she was thick and looked wrong, dressed wrong but in the end the markets forced the issue as she stuffed up too much and paid the price in their reaction.

wincarwoo · 21/10/2022 06:03

ChateauMargaux · 20/10/2022 18:22

I am appreciative if all of the responses.... it's all food for thought...

She didn't do all the thrashing on her own... where were the advisors, the ecomonists, the experienced civil servants.

The markets have held firm on other pension catastrophes, on bailing out the banks, on fixong the libor.. on going into unjustified wars ..

She sacked her most experienced aid. She ignored advice. She went with an ideology that was predicted to do what it did. She did it anyway. She avoided that body out in place to prevent crazy manoeuvres.

She then sacrificed her stooge. She played down her actions.

No misogyny there.

wincarwoo · 21/10/2022 06:04

J0yxPeace · 21/10/2022 05:12

I had assumed it was misogyny. I'm not in the uk. What did she do to the economy? How did she destroy it in 45 days?

Hey would you assume that? Please read the news.

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2022 06:06

ChateauMargaux · 20/10/2022 18:22

I am appreciative if all of the responses.... it's all food for thought...

She didn't do all the thrashing on her own... where were the advisors, the ecomonists, the experienced civil servants.

The markets have held firm on other pension catastrophes, on bailing out the banks, on fixong the libor.. on going into unjustified wars ..

This is the key part of it - she and KK did ignore process and advice. That was a major issue and why the markets didn’t go with their plans.

J0yxPeace · 21/10/2022 06:23

wincarwoo · 21/10/2022 06:04

Hey would you assume that? Please read the news.

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Well I have googled and it seems she wanted to cut tax for very high earners.
People earning 150k would pay the same tax as people earning 50k.
And this apparently destroyed the economy in 45 days?

Elvira2000 · 21/10/2022 06:26

It's not misogyny. But it is horribly hypocritical and very nasty now. The cabinet and right-wing papers supported the budget, and I have no doubt that they would have supported her environmental changes.

But seeing as it was exposed as horrific as it was they have turned on the leader. It's what they do. Notice it wasn't the unfairness that changed their minds, but how the markets reacted. And she was very very clear what her plan was - she said it enough times.

The lettuce thing is just cruel. But would they have done the same thing to a man? Probably if he had cost the election and shitloads of money.

Elvira2000 · 21/10/2022 06:37

Well I have googled and it seems she wanted to cut tax for very high earners.
People earning 150k would pay the same tax as people earning 50k.
And this apparently destroyed the economy in 45 days?

You have missed a lot! Also she promised huge financial support for energy bills for 2 years. Using borrowing to pay for everything (relying on growth of the economy in a up-coming recession and cost-of-living crisis). Sacked advisers and refuse to let the obr publish a report.

This led to the markets assuming one of the largest economies in the world was being run by someone who either had no clue or worse did!

Now the increase in mortgages has out-weighed the enery bills support.

And she:

  • removed bonus caps for bankers
  • blamed and sacked her chancellor
  • car crash interviews
  • and other stuff I can't remember at the moment.
J0yxPeace · 21/10/2022 06:42

Yes I missed a lot. Thank you for your post. I feel I have an idea now so thank you. I work full-time, I'm single parent to two DC, but even though I'm in Ireland they were talking about this at work yesterday and nobody seemed surprised she was gone. Only me! I stuck my head out from under the parapet afraid to ask why nobody was surprised!

Lopilo · 21/10/2022 06:55

She accelerated what would have happened to the economy anyway. She is a great scape goat. Rishi Sunak will probably swan into the PM role and pretend it was nothing to do with him despite being chancellor for the last 2yrs. I do think the idea that men are a ‘safe pair of hands’ is misogyny. However, I think she was got rid of because she wouldn’t win an election and Boris was tolerated for a long time because the party thought he could win elections.

QuebecBagnet · 21/10/2022 07:03

I think it demonstrates that the voting public and MPs prioritise the economy over lying and breaking the ministerial code. Don’t get me wrong, I think Boris should have gone a lot sooner than he did. But I also think if he’d tanked the economy in the same acute manner he’d have gone sooner for that.