Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

But remember lots of people now think you are a rapist and a violent abuser
"People" only think that because you took her to court and got it all aired on TV
And a lot more "people" turn up to cheer you every day and to post all over social media about how awful it is

Come off it. Johnny is not a good example of "false allegations ruin mens lives"

"Come off it. Johnny is not a good example of "false allegations ruin mens lives"

Tricky one. Not now, no but the previous 6 years, yes.

Anyway, I'm bored now. Johnny Depp was condemned in his own words and actions as a violent sexist man, and yet lots of people want to explain that all away as a woman's fault. Entirely predictable.

Rules of misogyny:
Rule 1: Women are responsible for what men do.
Rule 9: Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.
Rule 10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

You should watch his previous agents testimony. She had no reason to lie and she says he lost parts due to his behaviour (not showing up, being drunk/on drugs etc)

I think that’s more to do with her lack of acting ability rather than JD not helping her. I genuinely believe if she was more talented, she would have got many more roles while she was with Depp.

Regardless, I highly doubt we’ll see her in Aquaman 2 now anyway.

"You should watch his previous agents testimony. She had no reason to lie and she says he lost parts due to his behaviour (not showing up, being drunk/on drugs etc)"

I know. Hollywood knew too he's always been like this but in balance, he was worth it for them. However, it definitely got worse during his relationship with Amber and the balance tipped.

Nope, no credible evidence of violence at all

So what do you think he meant when he said “I headbutted you in the fucking forehead”?

But remember lots of people now think you are a rapist and a violent abuser
"People" only think that because you took her to court and got it all aired on TV
And a lot more "people" turn up to cheer you every day and to post all over social media about how awful it is
^^^^
When I heard Johnny had been dropped from fantastic beasts - in the middle of 5 movie endeavour- well I thought it must be true he was a wife beater.
When Johnny bought the case against ah for 50 million, and ah counter sued, I thought why bother - they are both as bad as each other.
But then I started ti follow the court case.
Applied some critical thinking of my own.
'Ah , on tape called Johnny a baby.
She argued about the type of slap she'd used on him. Not a punch. '
Ah lied constantly and didn't seem to give a straight answer to many questions.
Another thing that started to turn the tide for me, in Johnny's favour was that all his ex 's were saying he wasn't violent with them.
How many women would lie about something so serious for an ex?
These ex's have nothing to gain.
And finally I saw Kate Moss' video link for the trail.
What a dignified lady.

Not only did she not get that much more famous during time with him(she could have done without him, on contrary)but he basically used this trial to dig himself out of something she didn’t even cause"

Looking at the evidence it seems to me this is because he was controlling in this respect. I heard an audio where she says she hasn't worked for many months because he wanted her to fit in with his life. She went with him to his films a lot.

The email of him trying to get her fired from WB and the acting coach who said he was abusive about any parts she might audition for saying no women of mine is doing that trash part.

Plus the texts where he says no more meetings, no more auditions, no more movies.

If he's been found innocent of physical abuse I definitely think there was jealousy and controlling behaviour.

She got extremely famous in the public eye once they were together but this might not have translated to film roles.

I wonder if his PA Nathan had been made to testify in this case like he testified in the other one if this would have lead to a different verdict.

Another thing that started to turn the tide for me, in Johnny's favour was that all his ex 's were saying he wasn't violent with them.

Well one did say he threw a bottle at her, but according to him that's just because she's still salty he dumped her 20 years ago. 🙄

*I also found the rogue juror’s comments interesting (assuming they’re authentic which is highly dubious) that they did think that Depp was abusive but that Heard was the instigator. I’m not sure if that implies she was responsible for his drug and alcohol problems too as that seems to be the trigger for his abusive behaviour.

The thing that sunk her according to juror x was the comment about the donation/pledge. (Despite the fact it was not germane to the central issue).

I’m not disputing that being less than fully honest doesn’t undermine your credibility in court, but it doesn’t seem to have affected Depp.*

Where can we find the jurors comments ?

You mean the supposed juror who wants to remain anonymous

"Well one did say he threw a bottle at her, but according to him that's just because she's still salty he dumped her 20 years ago. 🙄"

Wrong. He threw a bottle but not AT her.

Anyway she is salty, she wanted a relationship with him and he didn't.

I think the juror thing is fake. Though I'd love to know what they thought of it all.

TikTok, username: seekinginfinite

I wouldn’t take it took seriously, anyone watching the trial could have said it.

https://7news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/juror-in-depp-v-heard-case-breaks-silence-in-new-videos-everything-she-said-came-off-as-bulls--c-7041314

After 24 years? Seriously?!?

@ldontWanna

I don't know 😁 she came across that way to me. I mean, why testify after 24 years with what little she had to offer in ambers defence.

My decisions on the trail were not based as much on fact which to be honest most of it could be attributed to she said, he said with different witnesses but on her demeanor.

Of course I do not believe Johnny Depp is an innocent, I'm sure he had the power to at times help Amber and at other times not, carreer wise. I also think he could be controlling, whether sometimes that was for Amber's own good as I think she was the type to take advantage out of any situation, I don't know.
He knows how the machine works in Hollywood and could see how ruthless and ambitious she was, this was a union which she wanted to make full use of and at times she must have felt he held her back, as he said "when it doesnt go your way Amber you get mad"

These sentences are telling such as stating "when I knew her ambition was stronger than her love for me". These are the truths, the underlying nature of a person, what they are capable of.

I found her composure strange but recognisable due to my involvement with a narcissitic person, her testimony in 2016 where she is eating and flippantly cleaning her hands during questioning as though she was 'fitting in' this interview in her important time schedule. The video in the car with her sister of a jubilant Amber when the UK judgement went against Johnny. The many hours of footage where Amber is not repectful in court towards the lawyers, completely blanking them and adressing the jury, I could see how this angered and provoked them.

So many instances of her distain for authority and the instances of cruelty towards those she considered beneath her. Amber was not a good actress she could not conceal these things.

Johnny met up with this incredibly strong, ruthless woman, she is no innocent victim not by a long shot, she gave as good as she got but ultimately he had more resouces, so she went for the most damaging tool she could, domestic and sexual abuse, rape. It's a game changer, and until you are cleared in a court of law, that mud sticks, she was prepared to push the nuclear button to win at any cost.

There are many women on here who have suffered at the hands of men, we support them fully, we are thankful for our feminist sisters who press ahead for the rights of women but we can also see that certain individuals in this world regardless of their sex can use others to gain retribution.

Both selfish people but Johnny's punishment far outweighed his treatment of her.

I bet you are. You are losing. Toxic feminism is not convincing to most people, even to other feminists.
Eh? Losing what?
I spend time on here to discuss things with other feminists, unfortunately men take exception to that and have to put their opinion across and be all competitive and right all the time
It's dull actually. I can read mens views on how awful AH is and how she ruined Poor Johnny's life everywhere

Genuine question
Does anyone think ah is a nice person?
Forget Johnny depp for a moment.

I think that's largely irrelevant to any debate.
How nice or not women are should be irrelevant as to whether they were abusee.

I'm more interested why a man with a history of violence, drugs and drinking, who finds himself in quite a lot of court cases, who has a series of "passionate" relationships with women that he then uses very derogatory language about, and who is also very rich so probably quite powerful, is being held up as some kind of poster boy for mens rights

It's very weird

@Robin233 It depends what you consider nice.

No, I think Amber is ill.

She has a lack of respect for everyone, her peers, her family, her elders, authority, her fans, his fans, the movement she alligns herself with, also a lack of empathy for those she considers beneath her, which are many.

She will never admit fault or be accountable for any of her actions, it's nothing to do with right or wrong, this is Amber's world and she is the only person who matters.

She does not recognise this in herself.