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Benedict Cumberbatch says 'men need fixing'
ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2021 16:55
ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2021 17:04
I haven't looked at the comments, but that's entirely predictable. I tend to think decent blokes know that if the cap doesn't fit then they don't need to wear it - so the only people emitting NAMALT wails are more liable to be those who it could fit.
EightWheelGirl · 26/11/2021 21:04
@RedDeadRoach
Well, yes I prefer 'manly' men. What's wrong with that? Being masculine doesn't automatically mean abusive/violent etc.
I think we would have more success trying to be accepting of all types of men rather than shunning some, which is likely to make them more disenfranchised and hostile to society.
ErrolTheDragon · 26/11/2021 23:36
I think we would have more success trying to be accepting of all types of men rather than shunning some,
Not sure what you mean by 'all types of men'. There are some whose behaviour is absolutely not acceptable - so if they want to be accepted then the onus is on them to change.
SleepingStandingUp · 26/11/2021 23:44
I think we would have more success trying to be accepting of all types of men rather than shunning some, which is likely to make them more disenfranchised and hostile to society says the person calling a man who is actually publicly calling our toxic masculinity a wet lettuce. Where does that stand with accepting all types of men?
LobsterNapkin · 27/11/2021 00:59
I'm not totally convinced the stiff upper lip stuff is really responsible for the issues men have with mental health.
Anyway, I don't know that I think statements like that are useful. Some men need to stop being asses. Some women have to stop being asses. Assholes need to stop being asses.
I can't do anything about female assholes and I don't want people to put that on my shoulders and I suspect nice men feel equally unable to do much about male assholes. What's Benedict doing about it, other than making statements like this?
EightWheelGirl · 27/11/2021 01:09
@LobsterNapkin
Anyway, I don't know that I think statements like that are useful. Some men need to stop being asses. Some women have to stop being asses. Assholes need to stop being asses.
I can't do anything about female assholes and I don't want people to put that on my shoulders and I suspect nice men feel equally unable to do much about male assholes. What's Benedict doing about it, other than making statements like this?
Exactly.
Pushing the idea that manly men are somehow broken and need to be fixed just sounds like he got one too many dead arms on the school bus and holds a grudge. The message needs to be that it's ok to express your feelings as a man, not that you're broken if you're a traditionally manly bloke.
There's a reason why they often use boxers and other manly men in the adverts about male mental health, and they have the right idea IMO. That you can be a traditional man and still express your emotions.
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