Men's issues never get comments like 'but women suffer too'

[Keke94LND]

Anyone else noticed this?

There are some certain issues that disproportionately affect men, men's mental health and suicide is a big issue and it should be treated as such BUT, and as an example, I was watching clips of loose women on YouTube (god knows why), and they were talking about women and girls safety and the comments were basically 'the streets are dangerous for everybody' 'we shouldn't be demonising men and boys' 'men are at risk too', the next clip I watched was titled 'should we speak to our sons about mental health' and the topic was about male mental health specifically, not once did any of the loose women say anything like 'but what about women and girls, they suffer with mental health and suicide too'.

It's just a really interesting observation I think, and that's just one example, but it's pretty much always the case, we get to discuss men's issues and men's issues only, but when it's women's issues, we have to mention men too.

[DraigFach]

I was thinking that today. My company are making a big deal out of November being a Men's Health month and are running awareness campaigns about mental wellbeing for men, information about male specific health issues like prostrate cancer and generally being men focused.

Not a single person has said "what about women?"

Whereas on international women's day, for the menopause campaign and the cervical cancer campaign it's littered with "what about men" or "don't forget it's not just women who have these issues"

It takes everything I have not to respond to the fuckwits with confirmation that only biological women however they identify can experience menopause or develop cervical cancer so men should only be interested from a support perspective.

Men get a whole month for awareness, we're not even allowed a day without "what about men/not just women" being trumpeted!

[bebanjo]

Didn’t the somebody do a study on this?

[VillKrill]

This is horribly true. I remember being in the throes of awful PND and reading all these articles about how “men/fathers get postnatal depression too”. We can’t even have that to ourselves!

[Echobelly]

Dr Jessica Taylor on Twitter, who does lots of work about victim-blaming of women and has also done a lot of work about male mental health, has commented that while her stuff about victim blaming is contantly full of 'Not All Men' and 'What about male sexual assault victims?', not once has any women popped up on stuff about male mental health to say 'But what about women?'

Says it all, really.

[WhiteVanWoman91]

I don't think that's true at all IME.

Literally every time somebody mentions male suicide on here somebody days "yes but women attempt it more."

And another common response to pretty much any male issue is "oh, but he'd be worse off if he was also female."

[KittenKong]

Make default innit?

[MsFogi]

I am getting seriously pissed off about what a big fanfare is being made of International Men's Day at my work this year - IWD barely gets a mention!

[WhiteVanWoman91]

@MsFogi

I am getting seriously pissed off about what a big fanfare is being made of International Men's Day at my work this year - IWD barely gets a mention!

Really? There are a lot more women's marches though. I mean, are there any male ones?

[FFSFFSFFS]

Well - men are the proper humans aren’t they?

[KittenKong]

IWD gets colonised by males every single year. It was one of the stonewall brownie points wasn’t it?

Isn’t IMD around mental health and suicide stats though?

[WhiteVanWoman91]

Well, there definitely seem to be a lot more blokes who care about women's issues than vice versa. Is there even an equivalent term for a male feminist? Or are there any female 'allies' for men's rights?

This thread just strikes me as looking for something to moan about tbh.

[Thelnebriati]

Men organised a men's march to end abortion. Must be something they really care about.
themensmarch.com/

[Keke94LND]

@WhiteVanWoman91

Well, there definitely seem to be a lot more blokes who care about women's issues than vice versa. Is there even an equivalent term for a male feminist? Or are there any female 'allies' for men's rights?

This thread just strikes me as looking for something to moan about tbh.

I think you must live on a different planet to me, I see so many women advocating for men's health and men's mental health, homelessness and other men's issues, I hardly see any men even talking about issues that affect women

[WhiteVanWoman91]

I think you must live on a different planet to me, I see so many women advocating for men's health and men's mental health, homelessness and other men's issues, I hardly see any men even talking about issues that affect women.

You must have missed the bit where the president of the most powerful country in the world spoke out about the '1 in 5' women.

[WhiteVanWoman91]

[quote Thelnebriati]Men organised a men's march to end abortion. Must be something they really care about.
themensmarch.com/[/quote]
And women organised an extremely popular group called Women Against Feminism. 🤷‍♀️

[WhiteVanWoman91]

And there have been loads of whinge thread on here about IMD previously.

[Colin56]

Its not that interesting an.observation.
You said 'the topic was about male mental health specifically'
So thats what they talked about.

[Keke94LND]

@Colin56

Its not that interesting an.observation.
You said 'the topic was about male mental health specifically'
So thats what they talked about.

But the other topic was about women's safety, specifically

[LobsterNapkin]

I'm not positive this is true. I can think of a lot more times I hear people talking about specific women's issues though, so I think it might be difficult to compare.

I would also say that people don't always mean the same thing when they make such comments. Sometimes what they mean is that they don't think sex is the important factor with the problem, something else is.

[Cakemonger]

It's because women aren't used to everything being about them and so don't object when the conversation is about something else

[Colin56]

@Keke94LND and your point is?

[Thelnebriati]

Another reason could be that men get nasty when they fell like they have been challenged. We've all been in a bad interaction on SM when someone takes umbrage and stalks your profile. So I think women learn not to kick the hornets nest.

[CheeseMmmm]

O read something a while ago about a woman who is involved in (runs maybe) two charities one female specific issue one male.

Said the women's stuff gets loads of WATM all the time when they do publicity etc and for the men's stuff nothing like that.

[CheeseMmmm]

The thing that gets up my nose is those who come into MN obv predominantly female and esp FWR to say WATM derail etc.

If you ask what they think should be done about whatever they've said women should be focusing on instead and if they don't they're horrible misandrists.

There's never an answer.

Sometimes I have pointed to charities around the thing they could support etc but they always ignore them

My conclusion is that they don't really care about the thing enough to do anything or think about what to do. And are here mainly only to tell women off.

I would not dream of going into a male dominated board and joining a conversation about male suicide or low achievement of some groups of boys in education or men and boys who are victims of grooming/ sexual assault etc and saying what about women. I mean seriously. Who does that.

Yet we sit here and engage until they say feminists are man haters you're awful and stomp off.

[CheeseMmmm]

Recently there's been one persistent one who is v interested in threads about women being sexually attacked and another one who is interested in pushing the view that women are privileged and spoilt.

I'm not going to say who this is just an observation.

We've always had them here. Fighting the good fight for men...