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Ulrika Johnson goes naked for men's mental health
FlatteredFool · 20/06/2021 10:18
Ulrika Johnson wows fans by baring all for mental health campaign www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/ulrika-johnson-wows-fans-baring-20858740
Am is missing something here? How are men's mental health issues benefitted by anyone taking off their clothes? The article has attracted some nasty comments about her body and it seems like this is a set back for women somehow when women objectify themselves for the benefit of men. The charity is encouraging men to do the same
www.strongmen.org.uk/campaigns/bare-yourself/
and I get the logic there, although i still find it odd.
I know I'm not explaining this very well but I hope you get my point.
Nonmaquillee · 21/06/2021 13:05
@StileAmtico
This. When women reduce themselves to the sum of their body parts they set progress back for the rest of us to be more than just a body too. Carol Vordeman is an very clever woman but is all over the sodding Daily Mail of all places showing off her fillered face, enhanced breasts and bum encased in skin tight clothing like that is all she is about. And Liz Hurley seems to spend the majority of her life being photographed in bikinis. It's so dispiriting and depressing.
Agree. It’s very depressing. Sends an awful message to young women.
NiceGerbil · 21/06/2021 13:16
@StileAmtico
This. When women reduce themselves to the sum of their body parts they set progress back for the rest of us to be more than just a body too. Carol Vordeman is an very clever woman but is all over the sodding Daily Mail of all places showing off her fillered face, enhanced breasts and bum encased in skin tight clothing like that is all she is about. And Liz Hurley seems to spend the majority of her life being photographed in bikinis. It's so dispiriting and depressing.
I didn't mean the individual women should stop and that they are doing wrong!
I meant that it being the norm, a standard, for women taking their clothes off for all any sundry reasons, should change. They do it because it's a pretty standard thing to do in s bizarrely wide set of circumstances. Calender?. Charity? Raise your confidence? Stop body shaming? And i of course, get men looking which you can moonrise or use to raise your profile.
They do it because it's done all the time and it works.
What I want to stop- to change. Is the underlying view of women in society that fuels it.
KimikosNightmare · 21/06/2021 13:51
Why even on this thread there's an implication that if her body met a certain standard this would be not such s problem. Which is what some posts imply whether they realise it or not. I get an ageist vibe as well
Er no, but don't let that stop you reinventing it. I said that if she suffered from something such as a skin disease e.g vitiligo there might, indeed there would be a justification for this.
Her skin is badly damaged by sun or sun beds and that isn't a healthy message to send to anyone.
Ulrika taking her knickers off has damn all to do with men's mental health. It was a stupid thing to do and the person responsible for doing this stupid thing is her. Not the "patriarchy", not society, not men's expectations- but her.
Needmoresleep · 21/06/2021 14:03
NiceGerbil, with due respect, you are quick to lay on the insults.
Sexist and ageist.....
Not the obvious way to win an argument. (Unless you following the Stonewall et al tactic of labelling people homophobic or transphobic as part of a "no debate" approach.)
I would counter that actually if any run of the mill celebrity of UJ's age were to pose naked in a magazine they would attract comment. Gary LInacre, Keir Starmer, Dominic Cummings, etc, take your pick. With a quick prayer that Boris is not tempted.
Regardless of sex, indeed regardless of gender identity, most people assume that the very act of posing naked for a magazine is, de facto, encouraging comment on your appearance.
Which is why very few, other than those who can still rock a swim suit (Liz Hurley, Daniel Craig), don't.
334bu · 21/06/2021 14:50
As an advertising ploy to get men to engage the female body has always been used. Female models draped over racing cars. Pin ups on beer cans.
Exploiting female bodies has a long history in advertising. So Ulrika getting her kit off is hardly any different from the girls on the Tennant's lager tins.
Orangecircling · 21/06/2021 19:41
I must say (or maybe I mustn't but I am going to anyway) Ulrika is a full on illustration of the fat free diet conundrum. Your face or your arse. For the surprised, or outraged, this is the theory that we need fat in our diet to keep our skin healthy but sadly a lot gets stored on your bum too which if you are short makes clothes shopping a PITA.
Wallpapering · 21/06/2021 19:55
How to get the attention of men who think with their penis? Use naked woman
They haven’t actually promoted anything about men’s mental health as it all become about UJ.
Do men with mental health problems or issues relate to UJ? How is this getting people to take men’s mental health seriously?
There are plenty of men and celebrities they could of used also wouldn’t need to get kit off. Joe Tranici for a start.
KimikosNightmare · 21/06/2021 20:00
@Wallpapering
They haven’t actually promoted anything about men’s mental health as it all become about UJ.
Do men with mental health problems or issues relate to UJ? How is this getting people to take men’s mental health seriously?
There are plenty of men and celebrities they could of used also wouldn’t need to get kit off. Joe Tranici for a start.
When you put it like that, it's actually really insulting to men. Oh I'm sure there are posters on here who genuinely believe that men think with their penis but the whole concept of this is patronising.
Bawdrip · 21/06/2021 20:43
This sort of male gaze shite is so depressing.
Also what is it with this weird leg pose everyone does now? It looks like she's pushing out a fart. I'm not criticising her body, she does look fab, not that it matters what i think. But why the weird bum opening stance?
Wallpapering · 21/06/2021 20:45
Even the MRAs elsewhere who always piping whataboutery when mention anything about women been silent on this but then shouldn’t be surprised given how they perceive women.
If on Twitter Joe Tranici worth follow he one of few I’d call celebs that talks honestly about up & downs of his mental health in ways others can relate to him.
NiceGerbil · 22/06/2021 03:56
'When you put it like that, it's actually really insulting to men. Oh I'm sure there are posters on here who genuinely believe that men think with their penis but the whole concept of this is patronising.'
If it doesn't work. Why has it been done for such a long time, in so many different forms, all over the world, for such a long time?
Why didn't men say we don't want page 3 or nuts?
Why the pirelli calendars?
Etc etc etc
Pandoraslastchance · 22/06/2021 09:54
@PurpleHoodie
They already do it with the Full Monty X-Factor Idol show thing*
Get male members of the public involved if they must.
*What is it called? It is actually very clever.
The message needs to be "Men encouraging other Men" though.
NOT "Women: be responsible for your man's health".
A group of footballers got naked for a testicular cancer campaign if I remember rightly. Something about balls and feeling yours etc. I believe it was a fairly positive campaign.
TheSockMonster · 22/06/2021 09:57
I think it’s weird and I am very uncomfortable with the concept of women getting naked for men’s mental health. I mean, WTF is that about?!
HOWEVER…
- It makes a nice change to see a non-porn woman’s body photographed doing non-porn things
2. I do kind of sort of get the naked = vulnerable mental health metaphor
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