Yay - a solution to the queue for ladies - urinals

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The Peequal: will the new women’s urinal spell the end of queues for the ladies’?
Designed by women for women.
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jun/07/the-peequal-will-the-new-womens-urinal-spell-the-end-of-queues-for-the-ladies
Not for me. Ever.

I don't get the appeal of She-Wees. If you fail to aim or control your flow then your clothes or legs are going to be covered in urine, you still need to wipe, and then you've got this device with you that needs to be washed out or carried around still covered in bits of piss.

This concept seems to be the She-Wee on steroids. It benefits perves more than women.

@EsmaCannonball

I don't get the appeal of She-Wees. If you fail to aim or control your flow then your clothes or legs are going to be covered in urine, you still need to wipe, and then you've got this device with you that needs to be washed out or carried around still covered in bits of piss.

This concept seems to be the She-Wee on steroids. It benefits perves more than women.

You definitely need to get a SheWee which works for your body (I think they recommend practising in the shower, so without any trousers on) as yes, the consequences of using one and it going wrong would be much worse than just trying to cope without one. You can apparently sort of squeegee yourself dry with the SheWee when you finish, in lieu of wiping. The better ones have a waterproof carry-case so that you don't get pee in your pockets. I'd still prefer to be able to wash my hands, and it would definitely not be as easy or convenient as having a penis. And I still wouldn't want to go in front of other people, the way men are accustomed to doing. But if you're used to them, they seem to be way better than nothing.

But at least you can practice using a SheWee in the privacy of your own home, with a change of clothes and a washing machine close at hand in case of disaster. The urinals seem like they would need quite a bit of getting used to, and working out which clothes aren't compatible with them, and you can't practise ahead of time.

@EsmaCannonball

I don't get the appeal of She-Wees. If you fail to aim or control your flow then your clothes or legs are going to be covered in urine, you still need to wipe, and then you've got this device with you that needs to be washed out or carried around still covered in bits of piss.

This concept seems to be the She-Wee on steroids. It benefits perves more than women.

I thought the point of it was as my granny used to use it If she was unlucky enough to get stuck, she could go in the car into a receptacle.

Gosh, this conversation doesn't get better! It was when nan and grandad drove to the coast etc and you couldn't guarantee a loo. I think, like for camping, you can get bags filled with absorbing stuff, then dispose hygienically when you get the chance.

And they wondered why we didn't fancy camping! 😂

No doors, no roof, no handwashing facilities and no sanitary bins? Fuck that!

I can't figure out how it works. Is it like squatting over a bucket?

Ridiculous and unsanitary. I can't believe this was thought up by women!

That's a hard no from me.

I'd rather queue.

It might have its uses, but it's a bit of a sad excuse that instead of providing decent, sanitary conditions it's considered a good alternative to offer a toilet which has no loo paper, no privacy and no handwashing facilities. Yay. Progress?

I still just can't figure out how to use it without peeing on clothes.

Helping my daughter to wee at a roadside involves getting the trousers right down and standing in front holding her arms so she can lean her bum waaaay back and upper body forward so she doesn't wee on her clothes and feet.

How can it be possible in this Lego urinal?

Skirt, yes I can see it being possible by whipping off the knickers. Any other clothing, nope.

@ASpoonfulofDust

I still just can't figure out how to use it without peeing on clothes.

Helping my daughter to wee at a roadside involves getting the trousers right down and standing in front holding her arms so she can lean her bum waaaay back and upper body forward so she doesn't wee on her clothes and feet.

How can it be possible in this Lego urinal?

Skirt, yes I can see it being possible by whipping off the knickers. Any other clothing, nope.

I think that's what this really is

I was going to start a separate thread but a male friend told me I just have to accept "privacy is dead" when we were talking about the NHS data thing.

When I pointed out that women might have things like abortion on their records, he said, well, men have some personal stuff too.

Then we got into the morality of it...

When .i talk about women's toilets and nightclubs etc, he just says "that never happens". I can't work out if certain groups wanting access to treat women as objects is one of the reasons why privacy is vanishing.

Here's a photo of the urinals.

I can just about see how they would be useful at a festival where some people don't care about privacy (my sister memorably went into the men's pee tent and squatted down on the grass instead of waiting for the portaloo!) but they really are pretty grim.

Oh that will be fun with arthritis not, squatting over that, oh good grief there’s my knees knackered then.

This is like something from one of my stress dreams. Here’s a radical idea, design women’s toilets to have a bigger floor space and more cubicles. Done.

Agree this is literally like something from a nightmare for me. And just imagine if the waters continue to muddy around what constitutes being female and who could access these.

So when you're standing up, you can see right into the other compartments?

This is made for able-bodied, non-pregnant, young women who have no balance or knee problems or dependent children with them, are not menstruating, do not need to empty their bowels, don't care to wipe after urinating and wear suitable clothing.

If they marketed that to that user group, I wouldn't grumble. Festival goers tend to be younger and could statistically therefore be thought not to have age-related issues. Or children in tow.

But the mechanics of this boat-shaped urinal still seem off to me. And the clothing issue should receive serious consideration - after all, you wouldn't know until you were standing over that contraption that you're not dressed for it.

(They could have installed a grab bar. Easily. But no.)

I’m over six foot. You would see a lot more of me than waist up and I can guarantee I would unintentionally see a lot of you by being able to look down over the partition. Terrible idea.

This is from their website. So I guess how they envisage women will actually use it. So you have to fully squat over it by the looks of it. Grim, impractical and physically impossible for a lot of women I’d think.

My knees couldn't manage that!
After a few drinks too you're going to have people over balancing.
It may have a certain market - young, able-bodied, not presently menstruating, no children in tow, comfortable with peeing publicly, plus a willingness not to look at other people using it and making them uncomfortable!

I have nothing against squatting personally (I appreciate it requires agility) but I would absolutely not be able to guarantee I would only pee in that position.

Also quite ironic they are demonstrating that whilst wearing dungarees.

Reading the article even they suggest it only becomes appealing after you are drunk and desperate.

The question is, why are they paying for events where their basic needs are not being met?

So at these festivals with women peeing in urinals and visible from the waist up, how will men (namalt blah blah) be prevented from hanging around, making comments and perving?

I can't imagine going for a communal pee, completely visible from the waist up, trying to ignore any blokes who may be saying stuff or jumping up trying to see more, holding onto my bag, trying to make sure my clothes aren't getting pee soaked, trying to shake the last drops off and hoping I don't dribble onto my clothes, wrestling my clothes back on and leaving with unwashed hands.

I expect there would be puddles of piss to try to avoid as well.

I just can't get over the stupidity of the design.

I think I'll keep my "gender inequality" thanks. Right next to my dignity.

@Sexnotgender

This is from their website. So I guess how they envisage women will actually use it. So you have to fully squat over it by the looks of it. Grim, impractical and physically impossible for a lot of women I’d think.

I saw that picture too but thought it was just to demonstrate the footprint of each unit.

The woman is fully clothed as she squats, you would not be able to achieve such a stable (wide, low) squat with clothes pulled down unless you wear abnormally stretchy undies. Given my pee shoot forwards, I can’t work out a placement of urinal, clothing and legs that ensures clothing, legs and floor stay piss-free

In the top-right picture the woman is supporting herself with both hands on the floor. I presume that is their suggested solution for those who can’t hover. Again, no clue where clothing would go.

Even if you're wearing a skirt what do you do with your underwear? Don't get it

Squatting is terrible for prolapses...

Such a woman-centred design.

@Gingerkittykat

Here's a photo of the urinals.

I can just about see how they would be useful at a festival where some people don't care about privacy (my sister memorably went into the men's pee tent and squatted down on the grass instead of waiting for the portaloo!) but they really are pretty grim.

That looks really flimsy, like a drunk woman toppling over while trying to squat could send the walls falling over in a horrendous row of dominoes type thing.

Most of us have the experience of squat toilets in other countries (Italy and Egypt, for me). It’s not generally a good memory, and tends to be a ‘last resort’ situation.