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Noel Clarke sexual harassment allegations, suspended by BAFTA

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Cwenthryth · 29/04/2021 20:41

www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/apr/29/actor-noel-clarke-accused-of-groping-harassment-and-bullying-by-20-women

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Especially galling that BAFTA was seemingly made aware of this before giving him his very recent honour. I watched his acceptance speech and found it really moving in terms of celebrating a working class black man’s success in a historically white industry. Turns out he’s an (alleged) sexual abuser. Fucking great.

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knittingaddict · 02/05/2021 14:34

@Oversize

I'd say it was done in the 70s but not acceptable to those of us who were on the receiving end of it. At 11 years old. In a school uniform. At least a dozen times a day. And cat calling vile stuff out of their car windows. I wished every single one of those fuckers driving past and doing that would crash their cars.
Couldn't agree more and my experience was similar, although I was a year older. That was in 1976 and I don't think it was acceptable as such, even then.
SunsetBeetch · 02/05/2021 14:39

[quote lulugee]@TimeIsUp I'm not sure what the big deal is about the prank? Sorry but it was, a prank? Have we lost our sense of humour now. [/quote]
Attitudes like these are part of the problem.

This isn't a Beadle's About prank: it's cruel (look how upset she was!) and (of course) sexual in nature.

An actual, good prank would have the prankee laughing along after the reveal, not upset and humiliated.

Were you a bully at school?

Orgasmagorical · 02/05/2021 14:51

People bleating about ‘innocent until proven guilty’ are thick as mince

Or also guilty ...

Waveifyouknowme · 02/05/2021 15:04

@EsmaCannonball

I wonder if the women who laughed at Barrowman's penis pranks really did find them funny or if they were conscious of being labelled a prude, a pearl-clutcher, an old misery, the one who made the atmosphere on set awkward when every else was having fun.
This makes me so sad. Once a week I'm conscious of being labeled an old misery, a prude the one who made the atmosphere when everyone else was having fun. So what do I do? Take myself away from it, feel powerless to challenge it, let it continue. I am no better than those that enabled NC and JB but I do understand why they did it.
Stormer · 02/05/2021 15:39

[quote Caneloalvarez]**@PearPickingPorky* @froggygoneacourting* @youshallnotpass9 thank you for your replies. On the surface it's easy to look at it and say, why did it take so long for something to be done (and there are a lot of comments online to that effect). But I want to really understand how someone like Noel manages to get away with it for so long. To be honest it is f-ing terrifying how he (and others like him) have gotten away with it. It really sickens me. For the first time I realise how lucky I am that I've never come across this sort of thing in my line of work. How distressing and soul destroying it must be for the victims, to have to wait and wait and wait to be heard.

It also really worries me that others cover up the abhorrent behaviour, or turn a blind eye. They are truly part of the problem. It does make you look at his other male colleagues and wonder... What did they know?

As for all the posters saying they had a funny feeling about him... Well I had no idea, I didn't follow him too closely but thought he seemed pretty decent and humble, and loved the gritty London scenes he brought to life. Such a waste, such a disappointment.[/quote]
I was depressed reading your posts, and other comments here and elsewhere expressing the same questions and concerns. Depressed because it then falls on to others to do the emotional work of explaining things that, in some cases, should be obvious. I appreciate you mean well, but the simplistic and categoric statements that I've copied below demonstrate that you haven't really thought about it properly or looked into it. By reducing it to some simplistic concerns, you're doing a disservice to the women and witnesses who - I'm pretty damn certain - would HEARTILY WISH MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT IT REALLY WAS THAT SIMPLE AND SHOCKING. I've spent a fair bit of time explaining it to hopefully give you and others more insight.

But I want to really understand how someone like Noel manages to get away with it for so long.

Simple answer: Because he was in a position of power. Much of the work he made he wrote and/or produced and/or directed.

Think about it: He wasn't "just" the star. He wrote Kidulthood as well as acting in it. He was the vehicle that got that project off the ground. I suspect he wasn't at 'peak inappropriateness' at that point because he didn't have full power, but he had a helluva lot more than anyone he may have been predatory or inappropriate towards who (a) would have had a smaller part than him and (b) was far more expendable because they didn't write the damn thing. The script determines what goes into it. That alone gave him some power.

If anyone complained - and they may have done, how do we know they don't? - the production company would have had a dilemma. If the offence was fireable rather than something they could give a warning over, then they lose A LOT of money having to reshoot scenes. They may have only been sold the script on the proviso that NC starred in it, since he wrote it. So they may possibly end up not even being able to reshoot.

The next film in the series, he directed as well as wrote and starred in. You know what the director does, right? He tells people what to do. In film, the director is often king, i.e. has even more power than the writer.

The third film in the trilogy, he not only starred in, wrote and directed, he also produced it. You know what the producers do? They hire the crew and cast. The women's contracts would have been with Noel Clarke and the other producers. So if they wanted to complain to their employer, they'd be going to... Noel Clarke or one of his co-producers. They'd be complaining about the head honcho. The person who created and funded the project. In other professions or jobs, there's usually several layers of management between an employee and the person with ultimate control, or some other people in a position of oversight. eg you can complain about a Headteacher to the Board of Governors of a school. Not so in the case of production companies. You could go to the network, sure, but it's the production company that has the contractual relationship with the crew or cast member.

A lot of the work NC made other than those three films was through his production company.

It also really worries me that others cover up the abhorrent behaviour, or turn a blind eye. They are truly part of the problem. It does make you look at his other male colleagues and wonder... What did they know?

Simple answer: We don't know how many people did say something. And whether those people were in a position of power.

Think about it: NC's lawyers were reactive to the allegations put to them by the Guardian. They DID admit that at least one complaint was made to a person in power, even though NC was in charge, because they couldn't refute that. But they didn't and weren't going to dredge up things that the Guardian didn't know about.They weren't going to pro-actively admit to the Guardian "oh yeah actor Joe Bloggs told NC 'that's out of order mate' on X date", or that "Jane Doe in the crew spoke to NC's co-producer on Y date and they agreed to deal with it informally". Didn't mean those things didn't happen.

How much power do you really think that "lowly" crew and casts members had on a NC production? Do you seriously think they had more power by virtue of being male? Again, they were hired freelancers for a short term contact. Their rights under employment law would not be as comprehensive as those who are employed in permanent positions for years on end and have at least two years' service. They'd have to have been complaining about NC to NC or his right hand people (people who were complicit, absolutely). What if the woman concerned didn't want them to complain formally?

It's very easy to judge, but this is a complicated situation. And I'm betting that NC adjusted according to the situation. For example, I doubt he was actionably inappropriate to a female actress who had more star billing and fame than him in a production where he wasn't one of the creators, directors or producers. Because that type of creep knows how far they can get away with exploiting people.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 02/05/2021 16:07

Great post Stormer Star

CharityDingle · 02/05/2021 16:21

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

Great post Stormer Star
Agreed.
Standrewsschool · 02/05/2021 16:22

Well explained @stormer

RedDogsBeg · 02/05/2021 16:35

It is a great post, Stormer but also depressing and frustrating.

Where are the Actor's Union in all this? Are they not supposed to be looking after their members? Who is speaking and standing up for these women within the industry, why do they not have anywhere to turn for help, lodge complaints and have them taken seriously and investigated and if found to be true the perpetrator to suffer consequences?

Just musing out loud that there must be a way pressure can be brought to bear on the entertainment industry to clean up their act, noting that Sky stated they do not associate with or condone bullying when they dropped Bulletproof, is there a way that those, like Sky and ITV, who buy or commission series to implement within the contract rules, clauses and penalties to safeguard against this?

There needs to be a seismic change within the industry, the hiding in plain sight of sexual predators and bullies has to end and end now, it has gone on for far too long and too many women have been destroyed and harmed by it.

MsTSwift · 02/05/2021 16:49

Similar set up to Weinstein. He had the money and the power and made many awesome films. He made a lot of other people very rich. If an admin assistant complained about sexual harassment by him what do you think was going to happen? Also why the serious A list women weren’t troubled by him.

Cliche but power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely is still pretty spot on.

Clymene · 02/05/2021 17:23

They're not all actors @RedDogsBeg - they're runners and assistants and make up artists and dressers and camera assistants. There is no union that represents them.

Like I said earlier, most of them are self employed and hired on a project by project basis. It is the ideal workplace for a sexual predator.

Clymene · 02/05/2021 17:27

@Boomshakkalakka

But it is just an allegation at this stage - he probably will be found guilty but isnt everyone jumping the gun - we are supposed to be innocent till found guilty.to pull episode 5 was just silly and this will ruin his career now whatever the outcome.
It's not just an allegation. It's nearly 30 allegations by unconnected women. And NC has backtracked from vehemently denying to apologising if his behaviour has made some women uncomfortable.

And I hope this is the end of his career. Men need to know that their actions have consequences.

And I can promise you he won't be the only one.

Roussette · 02/05/2021 17:28

Just musing on this... I wonder if the ITV drama over 5 nights was going to be a once a week thing. Because I've never known a Monday to Friday thing ever.
I am guessing that ITV knew the shit as going to hit the fan but thought they might be able to get the whole series in, in 5 days.

Roussette · 02/05/2021 17:30

Apparently he knew the article was coming up when he got the BAFTA award. He was unusually hesitant that night apparently.

And I hope this is the end of his career. Men need to know that their actions have consequences
Agree

RedDogsBeg · 02/05/2021 17:38

@Clymene

They're not all actors *@RedDogsBeg* - they're runners and assistants and make up artists and dressers and camera assistants. There is no union that represents them.

Like I said earlier, most of them are self employed and hired on a project by project basis. It is the ideal workplace for a sexual predator.

I see, Clymene, I was under the clearly false impression that anyone working within the entertainment industry had to be covered under the union.

Still, what are the union doing to protect their actors? Where do they stand on workplace harassment, bullying and sexual assault? Why are they not screaming from the rooftops and protecting their members from this insidious and damaging culture? What is the point of actors paying dues to a union that clearly does not put their safety, dignity and right to work in a safe work environment at the heart of everything they do. If the union for actors stood up and got tough then that would be a start and that should/would filter down.

You are right it is set up as a sexual predator and bully's paradise, sickening.

RedDogsBeg · 02/05/2021 17:39

@Roussette

Just musing on this... I wonder if the ITV drama over 5 nights was going to be a once a week thing. Because I've never known a Monday to Friday thing ever. I am guessing that ITV knew the shit as going to hit the fan but thought they might be able to get the whole series in, in 5 days.
ITV have done 5 night dramas in the past, can't remember the name of the last one but it is not a one-off.
Clymene · 02/05/2021 17:44

Actually I'm wrong - BECTU is a union that represents people in the entertainment industry. And they've produced a guide about sexual harassment: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59a81a70bebafb67a34d0fe3/t/5edf6c730706ce30d2a9dbc4/1591700618700/2018-01069-Members%2527-guide-Sexual-harassment-Version-02-06-2020.pdf

But the power dynamic is insane as Stormer's post explained. Men like Clarke literally have the power to fire someone who complains. And a woman who complains doesn't get hired for the next film. So she keeps her mouth shut.

ReDDogsBeg · 02/05/2021 17:47

But the power dynamic is insane as Stormer's post explained. Men like Clarke literally have the power to fire someone who complains. And a woman who complains doesn't get hired for the next film. So she keeps her mouth shut.

So true and so despicable.

Roussette · 02/05/2021 18:11

ITV have done 5 night dramas in the past, can't remember the name of the last one but it is not a one-off.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

IntermittentParps · 02/05/2021 18:11

ITV have done 5 night dramas in the past, can't remember the name of the last one but it is not a one-off.
There was that thing about the uni lecturer whose student tried to seduce her husband. May have had Surann Jones in it...? [vague]

Bjarnum · 02/05/2021 18:25

Quite apart from all the allegations that video of him prancing about waving the mic as phallus was enough to make me nauseous - just so crass and puerile

ShoppingPrecinctPrincess · 02/05/2021 18:29

@Clymene

They're not all actors *@RedDogsBeg* - they're runners and assistants and make up artists and dressers and camera assistants. There is no union that represents them.

Like I said earlier, most of them are self employed and hired on a project by project basis. It is the ideal workplace for a sexual predator.

Just as an aside, freelance media/entertainment workers can (and should!) join Bectu.
Deathgrip · 02/05/2021 18:39

Plus most actors / crew get auditioned / hired on word of mouth. They’ve worked with x on a previous project, etc etc. Reputation means everything. If you’re the person who makes a complaint, that becomes your reputation. And you don’t work.

That’s why the men doing these things are the ones who have no trouble getting work and are the ones in charge - if this were a male runner they’d probably never work again. Men like NC make their own work.

Clymene · 02/05/2021 18:53

I mentioned that in my next post @ShoppingPrecinctPrincess but yes, we need to shout about it more. I don't know many people who work in the industry who are members.

ShoppingPrecinctPrincess · 02/05/2021 19:01

@Clymene

I mentioned that in my next post *@ShoppingPrecinctPrincess* but yes, we need to shout about it more. I don't know many people who work in the industry who are members.
Sorry, I missed your post mentioning Bectu! I work in the arts and am always encouraging people to join. Especially the freelancers.