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in your opinion/if you have it or have family members, friends, colleagues or a partner/ex-partner with it, does BPD deserve the negative representation it often gets as a condition, in the popular media and also in real life ?

145 replies

Nonoanddefintelyno · 01/09/2025 21:59

I read somewhere that bpd can be compared to having full thickness, raw burns all over ones body as a representation of how it feels for people with BPD to try and get through a day where the otherwise smallest social interaction, look or body language change, can cause genuine alarm, fear of abandonment or provoke intense anger in someone with the condition. I imagine it must be really shitty to deal with as the sufferer and i generally feel like virtually everyone with BPD has developed the condition because they have been exposed to or have had to experience a higher number of traumatic life events compared to the general population. Ive often heard BPD be described as the form of PTSD that never actually got diagnosed so it just turned into BPD because it wasnt recognized that it started as PTSD initially

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KurtCobainLover · 02/09/2025 07:59

As someone who has BPD I’m always saddened when I read these threads. I’m not a monster. I’ve worked really hard to recover and to be a good person including 2 years of weekly DBT and another year of group therapy on trauma.

CucumberBagel · 02/09/2025 08:02

Many of us have lived experience with people who are diagnosed with BPD/EUPD, and those people have made our lives hell deliberately. They know what they’re doing, and they don’t get a free pass from being narcissistic, abusive liars.

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 02/09/2025 08:02

JustFrustrated · 01/09/2025 22:25

Wow. That's vile, bigoted and horrific.

I'm sorry your exH was an abusive cunt.

But people with BPD are ill.

The two are the not the same.

Sorry, have you just said that @Thattimeofthenight is vile and bigoted because they don't want to have the risk of getting into another abusive, damaging relationship?
Do you think they shouldn't be allowed to choose who they get in a relationship with?

leaderZ · 02/09/2025 08:03

Yes especially parents with condition are quite terrifying and can ruin the lives of many in close vicinity

terrifying

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 08:16

CucumberBagel · 02/09/2025 08:02

Many of us have lived experience with people who are diagnosed with BPD/EUPD, and those people have made our lives hell deliberately. They know what they’re doing, and they don’t get a free pass from being narcissistic, abusive liars.

Absolutely. Health professionals have their point of view, but my interest lies with those who are in personal and intimate relationships with people with BPD. I’m sure my ex portrays a particular picture to doctors that is nowhere near the reality of living with him.

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 08:18

JustFrustrated · 02/09/2025 07:40

Do you know it's possible, and actually not unheard of at all, to get diagnosed with BDP without ever entering or being in crisis?

That some, namely women because of the way it exhibits in women, get a diagnosis after years of garden variety treatment and it'spurely because they know they're different and something is wrong that they engage and push?

But yeah let's call them all scum and don't deserve lives. Fuck the ones that try hey? Fuck the ones who implode and dont explode?

I see some horrific behaviour apologised for, or accepted, because of ASD/Dementia/other illness or disability that cannot be helped.

My colleague was raped and beaten by a man with LD and ASD, based on that am I to assume that anyone with LD and ASD should be avoided because they're all evil? No, because that's absolutely absurd.

I am deeply, deeply, sorry for anyone who has been hurt by someone with BPD. And you can avoid any relationship you want for any reason, but saying avoid everyone with it is generalisation and sweeping statements.

I know some people with BPD and you wouldnt know they had it until they disclose it. You just wouldn't. Because they spend so much time ensuring they regulate and prevent crisis.

I avoid all sorts of people for my own safety. BPD is on that list.

2pixels · 02/09/2025 08:32

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 08:18

I avoid all sorts of people for my own safety. BPD is on that list.

What if you didn't know, though? What if you had a good friendship/relationship with someone and 5 years into it they disclosed they had once been given the label?

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:48

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 02/09/2025 08:02

Sorry, have you just said that @Thattimeofthenight is vile and bigoted because they don't want to have the risk of getting into another abusive, damaging relationship?
Do you think they shouldn't be allowed to choose who they get in a relationship with?

No, she said that she is vile and bigoted because she said people with BPD shouldn’t be bothered with. Not just being in a relationship with them, but at all.

youalright · 02/09/2025 08:49

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 08:18

I avoid all sorts of people for my own safety. BPD is on that list.

Iv never told anyone my diagnosis you wouldn't have a clue

youalright · 02/09/2025 09:02

MoonWindy · 02/09/2025 04:54

I strongly suspect that this thread was started as a result of someone watching the recently screened second series of "the Jury, Murder Trial". It is not an accurate portrayal of most people with BPD, however I knew as soon as I saw the episode that there would be an influx of this sort of media discussion.

To anyone with a BPD diagnosis who is reading this thread, I am so sorry you have to read this bullshit. Please know that not everyone believes it *

I have reported this thread.

Comments made so far:

"They deserve the reputation to protect other people."

" people with BPD are abusive"

"all the usual BPD bullshit threatening suicide and all the rest"

"Run for the hills"

"Manipulating, lying, playing people off'

"Can't hold down jobs because of their nastiness"

I have reported this thread.

For clarity. I work in mental health services. Some of the people I work with have diagnoses of BPD and suffer from the type of prejudice and stigma evidenced in the above comments. It needs to stop.

In summary:

BPD / EUPD is a highly controversial name for a highly controversial diagnosis that is given to people who experience things like a fear of abandonment, unstable relationships, extreme emotional turbulence and disconnection.

To the person saying it is not a mental illness, You may want to educate yourself:

www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/borderline-personality-disorder-bpd/about-bpd/

It is a controversial diagnosis because

(a)It lacks scientific reliability and validity:The current diagnostic criteria allow for 256 different combinations of symptoms that could lead to a diagnosis.

(B) It carries incredible stigma, as evidenced by some of the ill-informed comments in this thread.

It is disproportionately slapped on young women who have experienced severe childhood abuse and trauma,

Women account for 70% of patients

Many of these women later go on to receive autism diagnoses. It's all very well saying "they are very different conditions" - but in reality, the overlap is sufficient that many people, particularly women, are misdiagnosed. Were the above comments made in reference to autistic people, all of Mumsnet would be up in arms - and rightly so.

Here are some comments from Kier Harding and Dr Jay Watts, experts in BPD. Articles can be found via Google, but to summarise using direct quotes:

"attempts to cope with extreme distress and discomfort from sensations that don’t trouble people without a trauma history are completely misunderstood and often judged."

An Australian review of stigma of BPD describes negative beliefs about young people with BPD, including erroneous beliefs about trustworthiness and dangerousness, and that they are ‘bad, not ill’.

The Welsh charity Platform has an archive of awful experiences people with a BPD diagnosis have gone through, but the things I repeatedly hear about are:

1 People having wounds stitched in hospital without anaesthetic,

2 All visits to the GP seen as attention seeking so serious illnesses are missed and pain relief not given

Marsha Linehan is the creator of DBT, the therapy most often prescribed for people with BPD diagnosed. Linehan says:

“I tell my patients if you end up in the Emergency Room for a medical disorder for gods sakes do not tell them you meet criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder. Do not tell anybody. You’ll be treated differently"

65 clinicians were asked to watch a video of a woman presenting with 'panic disorder'. They then had to rate her presenting problems and prognosis. A third were just given her presenting problems, a third were given this plus a description consistent with 'BPD' and a further third that and the label 'BPD'. Those who were told the woman had a 'BPD' label were significantly more likely not just to give the woman a poor prognosis, but to actually describe the panic shown in the video in worse terms."

In essence, inaccurate and harmful stereotypes of BPD serve to maintain the stigma attached to BPD diagnosis. It needs to stop. Thread has been reported.

👏👏👏👏 Im so glad you work in mental health services we need more people like you. I have bpd been in the same job over 15 years own my own home have 3 amazing children who are thriving. Iv never shared my diagnosis with anyone and nobody outside of medical settings would have a clue. Iv never laid a finger on anyone. If people actually did find out about my diagnosis I think they would be shocked as I often get told how lovely, kind, funny and happy I am. My bpd is a part of my life that I try my hardest to not affect others with and keep my feelings to myself as much as I can. Because I keep it to myself im treat well by people around me the second I step into a medical setting I am treat very differently and that is purely due to stigma and I hate it.

youalright · 02/09/2025 09:04

You know the saying mental health matters unless its a personality disorder ✌️

awakeandasleep · 02/09/2025 09:04

CucumberBagel · 02/09/2025 08:02

Many of us have lived experience with people who are diagnosed with BPD/EUPD, and those people have made our lives hell deliberately. They know what they’re doing, and they don’t get a free pass from being narcissistic, abusive liars.

They can't help what they are doing - they are ill! Behavioural therapy gives them strategies and helps with their disordered thinking and over time a lot of people do recover.

It is understandable that many people cannot sustain long-term relationships with people with this condition but stability, unconditional love and therapy can help people with this condition to get better.

awakeandasleep · 02/09/2025 09:09

leaderZ · 02/09/2025 08:03

Yes especially parents with condition are quite terrifying and can ruin the lives of many in close vicinity

terrifying

Honestly that is an awful thing to say. It is an illness and yes it is damaging for those people around them but so are lots of family situations stop stigmatising and scaremongering.

Plethorapeach · 02/09/2025 09:11

youalright · 02/09/2025 08:49

Iv never told anyone my diagnosis you wouldn't have a clue

Can I ask if you actually identify as someone who currently still has BPD?

The people I know with it have attended therapy and psychiatrists for a long time but completely play the victim in their own relational issues and to outsiders it is literally obvious there is something there even if they never told you. Long before the socials became obsessed with diagnosing, people had picked up these issues with them. It is not something they have the capacity to hide.

Their issue is because they still see themself only as a victim (which of course they are - one is the daughter of an alcoholic, one a man that comes across as narcissistic).

They take no responsibility in the relational issues that are happening now that they do play a significant part in or actually often cause. Issues today that are not in any way related to when they were being a victim in childhood. The victim mentality and inability to see that the change required is internal is the reason they do not change.

TorroFerney · 02/09/2025 09:12

DiscoNights · 01/09/2025 22:45

This is exactly how I feel about it. I am still in therapy after being severely emotionally abused by someone with BPD. I have a PTSD diagnosis as a result of it. Terrible. The damage this person did to me cannot be put into words.

Well yes, the thing the op says in the opening post about people with bpd having fear of abandonment and a look making them panic, in my experience that’s what I have/had as a child of a parent with probably borderline bpd , I don’t have bpd though. So I had to re read that. The issue I had is that I’d been so groomed/enmeshed with my parent to be her romantic partner and soothe her emotions that I felt over sorry for her and didn’t or couldn’t put up boundaries. I don’t see people pleasing/hyper vilgilance and anxious attachment as a symptom of bpd, I have then because of a bpd patent, well one that exhibited the traits.

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 09:17

awakeandasleep · 02/09/2025 09:09

Honestly that is an awful thing to say. It is an illness and yes it is damaging for those people around them but so are lots of family situations stop stigmatising and scaremongering.

This is ridiculous. The thread is about BPD. @leaderZis right.

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 09:19

youalright · 02/09/2025 08:49

Iv never told anyone my diagnosis you wouldn't have a clue

Well duh. I didn’t know my ex had BPD either until I became enmeshed with him. BPD is like that. You find out the hard way in intimate relationships. I’m sure colleagues and acquaintances of his haven’t a clue either.

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 09:20

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:48

No, she said that she is vile and bigoted because she said people with BPD shouldn’t be bothered with. Not just being in a relationship with them, but at all.

You’re just stretching what I’m saying. I am talking about being in relationships with them.

If I work with someone with BPD I couldn’t care less. That’s their problem, not mine. I don’t want to get personally close to them though.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/09/2025 09:24

I haven't RTFT but I have a couple of friends with what is now called emotionally unstable personality disorder. They are completely, completely different in their presentation and I question the value of the "diagnosis". One of them I think is probably autistic (she thinks so too and is on the pathway for diagnosis), both of them experienced very disordered childhoods with chaotic and overwhelmed mothers and abusive or absent fathers.

I think the term "personality disorder" is a disgraceful one that has massively outlived its welcome and that a name for people still dealing with the consequences of profound childhood trauma needs to be found that doesn't make them feel like they're broken beyond repair, because they're not.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/09/2025 09:40

@Thattimeofthenight I can also understand that being in an abusive relationship with someone who has this diagnosis would substantially influence your view, of course. My point is more that borderline/EUPD diagnoses seem to be given to such a wide range of presentations that they don't tell you much on their own about how the person will be.

dontcomeatme · 02/09/2025 09:57

I have it and you would never know. I'm happily married, own my own home, 2 kids, planning a third. Savings and investments, main childcare for family members, never drink or do drugs 🤷🏻‍♀️ everyone thinks I'm pretty laid back, chill, funny and selfless x

youalright · 02/09/2025 10:13

Thattimeofthenight · 02/09/2025 09:19

Well duh. I didn’t know my ex had BPD either until I became enmeshed with him. BPD is like that. You find out the hard way in intimate relationships. I’m sure colleagues and acquaintances of his haven’t a clue either.

But some people are abusive if your partner had autism or cancer would you say everyone with autism or cancer is abusive

youalright · 02/09/2025 10:16

Plethorapeach · 02/09/2025 09:11

Can I ask if you actually identify as someone who currently still has BPD?

The people I know with it have attended therapy and psychiatrists for a long time but completely play the victim in their own relational issues and to outsiders it is literally obvious there is something there even if they never told you. Long before the socials became obsessed with diagnosing, people had picked up these issues with them. It is not something they have the capacity to hide.

Their issue is because they still see themself only as a victim (which of course they are - one is the daughter of an alcoholic, one a man that comes across as narcissistic).

They take no responsibility in the relational issues that are happening now that they do play a significant part in or actually often cause. Issues today that are not in any way related to when they were being a victim in childhood. The victim mentality and inability to see that the change required is internal is the reason they do not change.

I sway back and forth sometimes im convinced im autistic other times I think its severe anxiety and panic disorder other times I think their is nothing wrong with me and then something will happen and im like maybe it is bpd. I genuinely don't know and physchiatrists seem to just guess as everything just overlaps each other

Onlyseeingitnow · 02/09/2025 10:18

It seems that there there is an evolution in understanding the chicken and egg situation of trauma, ND and ‘PD’ - equally that each individual diagnosis and prognosis is specific and can maybe be placed in a spectrum which can potentially move and improve or worsen with environment and active engagement in treatment.

There maybe some similarities to the impact substance abuse has on relationships, family ans friend dynamics.

AA for example define alcoholism by the impact on relationships. The recovery programme is very much about being accountable and responsible for behaviour towards others. Any diagnosis may explain the distress / abuse / hurt caused to others by the person but it NEVER excuses it. They also advise not to be in an intimate relationship for a year after recovery as the focus needs to be on your own internal work and building a different external environment conducive to long term recovery.

With Al Anon (for families of alcoholics) they teach ‘detached love’ - where you are not enmeshed and not inadvertently enabling. Where you have boundaries and support to protect yourself from the distress / abuse / hurt caused.

They call it the family disease. I think there are parallels. Everyone involved has the right to expect respectful behaviour and support, everyone involved has responsibility to work to enhance and protect their own dignity and MH. And it’s OK to step away from environments and relationships that threaten yours or your childrens.

99bottlesofkombucha · 02/09/2025 10:21

Plethorapeach · 01/09/2025 22:11

Family member and a friend have it and it is very tricky.

Neither of them, when triggered, have any capacity for other people having feelings of their own. Zero capacity.

The emotions of the BPD take over any situation sometimes the situation is actually really benign but perceived as an emotional threat to the person and the reaction is enormous.

It is exhausting to try to manage.

We have had to put in significant boundaries with the family member which she rejects completely. Her behaviour is actually harmful towards others.

It is much easier with the friend where the boundaries and expectations are a bit easier.

We have tonnes of ND in the family BPD bares absolutely no resemblance when you know the difference.

This. I think it’s extremely difficult to have a genuine functional romantic relationship so would advise anyone I cared about to avoid for romantic relationships. I’m sorry if thats hard to hear. But through multiple examples there’s no ownership , no accountability, this persons description of their emotion dominating even minor events is spot on, no acknowledgement that actually other people think completely differently and eg any rational person would have fired you or no we don’t have to love those mugs, you can like them but we don’t have to, and anyone who disagrees is controlling and nasty and persecuting them…. So. Exhausting.