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Bi-polar neighbour in manic phase: difficult to live with

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doginabowtie · 28/10/2024 12:50

I don't know if this is the right forum to post on but I thought that here there may be people with the knowledge to advise me. If there is a better place for it then if you tell me I'll get it moved.

I'm newly retired (early this year) and live alone. New neighbours moved in in 2022, a couple in their late 40s. She seemed very quiet and a bit depressed. We gradually got to know each other and she used to come in and have a coffee or we'd do some gardening together on weekends when her husband (he's an NHS worker) was on rota. She wasn't someone who talked about herself much, so I didn't feel I knew her.

Earlier this year her low mood shifted and each time we met she seemed happier and more chatty. I've been away a lot since March in my camper van and on bucket list trips, coming home for a week or so now and then before setting off again. I came back home properly in mid September after a couple of months in Australia. I'm doing an MA at the local university and I needed to be here for that. Her mood and behaviour has changed again. She's very 'up' and she started turning up at my front door and ringing long and hard until I let her in. She'd walk in and tell me she'd come for tea and then walk round my kitchen helping herself to food from the fridge and talking non-stop — and not always making sense. On one occasion she went all over the house telling me what colours I needed to paint each room and that I needed to replace all my furniture. It was plain that she was on a manic high. I've had colleagues and a couple of friends who are bi-polar and I recognised what was going on.

It's continuing. She phones me several times a day, demanding that I go round there or to tell me she's coming over to me or just talking endlessly about some new idea or theory she's come up with. I respond every couple of days and then impose limits on the amount of time and attention she gets from me. On a couple of occasions when I've had to end the call because I have other things to do, she's been rude. I'm doing what I can to hold some boundaries, but after I turned off my front doorbell, she turned up at my back door, let herself in and stripped all the petals from a vase of flowers on the kitchen table. I didn't realise she was there until I came downstairs and found her. It was a shock and freaked me slightly.

I managed to catch her husband when he arrived home that evening and mentioned what was going on and he said she's bi-polar but has always refused drugs or help. She just says this is how she is and people can take her or leave her. He also said that when she gets really bad he leaves home until she's come down again. He recommended I keep my doors and windows locked, remove anything valuable from the garden and park my camper van and car elsewhere, because in the past she's smashed vehicle windows during psychotic episodes.

I noticed last week that his car wasn't on the drive and that there were lights and music on in their house through the night. There have been lights on increasingly late for a while now, so I'm guessing she's not sleeping and things are peaking. I deliberately arranged to be away over much of the weekend and I didn't answer her phone calls. I'm back now, but I've parked round the corner so she won't see the car and know I'm home. I crept around without putting the lights on last night and crept out again early. I don't know what to do now. I feel very uncomfortable hiding away like this, but I'm also nervous of encountering her in her current mood.

Any advice from anyone who'd been through something similar would be appreciated. I understand that other neighbours have complained to the police about noise, lights and intrusive behaviour but nothing has happened as a result. I suppose I may need to move out too, until she crashes.

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MissAnthr0pe · 08/11/2024 05:32

pikkumyy77 · 07/11/2024 15:45

Paranoid and delusional. This is more than bipolar.

This is exactly how bipolar presents.

OP, as a last resort you can contact your MP. The MP (if they're any good) will contact the patient's MH Trust with a request for a resolution, and a formal MHAA can be arranged based on this.

izimbra · 08/11/2024 12:18

doginabowtie · 28/10/2024 12:50

I don't know if this is the right forum to post on but I thought that here there may be people with the knowledge to advise me. If there is a better place for it then if you tell me I'll get it moved.

I'm newly retired (early this year) and live alone. New neighbours moved in in 2022, a couple in their late 40s. She seemed very quiet and a bit depressed. We gradually got to know each other and she used to come in and have a coffee or we'd do some gardening together on weekends when her husband (he's an NHS worker) was on rota. She wasn't someone who talked about herself much, so I didn't feel I knew her.

Earlier this year her low mood shifted and each time we met she seemed happier and more chatty. I've been away a lot since March in my camper van and on bucket list trips, coming home for a week or so now and then before setting off again. I came back home properly in mid September after a couple of months in Australia. I'm doing an MA at the local university and I needed to be here for that. Her mood and behaviour has changed again. She's very 'up' and she started turning up at my front door and ringing long and hard until I let her in. She'd walk in and tell me she'd come for tea and then walk round my kitchen helping herself to food from the fridge and talking non-stop — and not always making sense. On one occasion she went all over the house telling me what colours I needed to paint each room and that I needed to replace all my furniture. It was plain that she was on a manic high. I've had colleagues and a couple of friends who are bi-polar and I recognised what was going on.

It's continuing. She phones me several times a day, demanding that I go round there or to tell me she's coming over to me or just talking endlessly about some new idea or theory she's come up with. I respond every couple of days and then impose limits on the amount of time and attention she gets from me. On a couple of occasions when I've had to end the call because I have other things to do, she's been rude. I'm doing what I can to hold some boundaries, but after I turned off my front doorbell, she turned up at my back door, let herself in and stripped all the petals from a vase of flowers on the kitchen table. I didn't realise she was there until I came downstairs and found her. It was a shock and freaked me slightly.

I managed to catch her husband when he arrived home that evening and mentioned what was going on and he said she's bi-polar but has always refused drugs or help. She just says this is how she is and people can take her or leave her. He also said that when she gets really bad he leaves home until she's come down again. He recommended I keep my doors and windows locked, remove anything valuable from the garden and park my camper van and car elsewhere, because in the past she's smashed vehicle windows during psychotic episodes.

I noticed last week that his car wasn't on the drive and that there were lights and music on in their house through the night. There have been lights on increasingly late for a while now, so I'm guessing she's not sleeping and things are peaking. I deliberately arranged to be away over much of the weekend and I didn't answer her phone calls. I'm back now, but I've parked round the corner so she won't see the car and know I'm home. I crept around without putting the lights on last night and crept out again early. I don't know what to do now. I feel very uncomfortable hiding away like this, but I'm also nervous of encountering her in her current mood.

Any advice from anyone who'd been through something similar would be appreciated. I understand that other neighbours have complained to the police about noise, lights and intrusive behaviour but nothing has happened as a result. I suppose I may need to move out too, until she crashes.

Honestly, as someone who is a parent to a son with bipolar 1, I'd sell up and move.

You can't do anything about this.

Unless she's sectioned she won't be medicated forcibly. Even if she's sectioned and medicated there's no guarantee she'll continue on her meds when she gets out. And it's really, really hard to get someone sectioned.

izimbra · 08/11/2024 12:25

I think many people on this thread aren't aware of how hard it is to get meaningful NHS intervention for people with psychotic disorders who aren't compliant with medication. No judgement, I think mental health services for seriously mentally ill people in the UK and their families are beyond belief inadequate and unsafe.

muddyford · 08/11/2024 12:42

BlackToes · 08/11/2024 01:00

It’s not to do with criminal acts, it’s the degree of safeguarding risk someone is to themselves, their families, the public.

Thank you. A friend's wife was sectioned twice last year as she was a danger to herself and others. Much more stable now.

Baguettesandcheeseforever · 08/11/2024 12:56

OP I have so much respect for your level of empathy and how kind you’ve been towards this lady. Look after yourself and protect yourself in every way you can. There’s some good advice on here…with the exception of making an anonymous phonecall to say she’s trying to set the house on fire….
Take care and I hope this ends very soon.

SuspiciousAloysius · 08/11/2024 12:56

Cantbelievethatimafoolagain · 08/11/2024 05:07

Could you make an anonymous call to the police and say this woman is trying to set the house on fire or something to get her sectioned.

So make a false report and lie to the police, accuse this woman of a serious crime so that she might be forced into a psychiatric hospital against her will? 🤦‍♀️

doginabowtie · 09/11/2024 08:45

I'm going to be here at home this weekend, and I've even parked the car on the drive now that there's a camera to record anything that happens. My neighbour is pacing up and down in the street at the moment, possibly looking for someone to talk to. Actually, in reality it's 'talk at', not 'talk to'. I need to go to the pharmacy to pick something up. I've worked out that if I time it carefully I should be able to get into my car and away while she has her back turned walking away up the street. Such a sad state of affairs to have to be thinking in this way, but if I can avoid her I will.

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carly2803 · 09/11/2024 20:31

I hope you are ok OP an you managed to avoid her

has she left you alone this weekend?

is her husband with her?

doginabowtie · 10/11/2024 10:08

Aww, thank you. I managed to get out easily enough yesterday but she was there when I came back. She said she was locked out and wanted to come into my house with me, which was the last thing I want to happen. She was looking very stressed and unkempt and wasn't adequately dressed for being outside. I had the presence of mind to go and check her front door and it wasn't locked, just shut, so I took her in. The place is a complete tip. She seems to have cut lots of fabric up and there's stuff out of drawers and cupboards everywhere. She's also been buying in large containers of bottled water, dozens of them, and they're all over the place. I made her a cup of tea and found her some socks and a jumper, but she wasn't interested. She just talks at me all the time, telling me what I'm thinking, telling me that she knows everything about me, which is so far from reality that I have to stop myself from laughing. She's talked to the council on my behalf about my difficulty walking on our uneven pavements because of my bad feet, apparently. I don't have bad feet. She can't listen or sit down and when I made an excuse to get away she barely noticed I was leaving.

I phoned the police and the MH team's number and told them she'd been out in the street poorly-clothed, vulnerable and scared because she was locked out. I haven't seen or heard anything since then. Yesterday evening I had a portion of lasagne left over after my dinner, so I put it on a plastic plate with some salad and took it next door and knocked, thinking that perhaps if she ate something it might help, but she was playing music loudly and didn't come to the door.

I feel very worried for her. I can't believe her body can keep this up for much longer. She's not eating and not sleeping from what I can tell.

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TwinklyRoseTurtle · 10/11/2024 10:20

OP at this point you can call 999 ask for an ambulance and explain you are scared for her welfare

doginabowtie · 10/11/2024 10:32

An ambulance is for emergencies and I don't think she's going to collapse and die in the next 48 hours. I'm going to call an MH hotline and see what's recommended.

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NotMyDayJob · 10/11/2024 10:41

Gently OP, this ongoing saga you have detailed over a lengthy period of time suggests this very much an emergency and respectfully it's not for you to decide if she needs urgent medical care or not. It will be triaged same as everyone else calling 999

2triangles · 10/11/2024 10:45

doginabowtie · 10/11/2024 10:32

An ambulance is for emergencies and I don't think she's going to collapse and die in the next 48 hours. I'm going to call an MH hotline and see what's recommended.

Mania is an emergency, or the closest it gets in psychiatry.

fatphalange · 10/11/2024 11:10

doginabowtie · 10/11/2024 10:32

An ambulance is for emergencies and I don't think she's going to collapse and die in the next 48 hours. I'm going to call an MH hotline and see what's recommended.

I've had to ring ambulances for my neighbour in similar circumstances. It's very much an emergency.

SuspiciousAloysius · 10/11/2024 11:27

I say this as someone who has a close family member with bipolar and was her next of kin for decades, the behaviour you are describing is way, way below the threshold of what is considered for emergency treatment or sectioning. If you call an ambulance or continue to contact the police (unless it’s because things have gotten significantly worse) you may well end up getting into trouble for wasting their time.
Some of the posters on here are very naive about what treatment is available for people with psychiatric illness. Even suicide attempts don’t mean someone will be sectioned or even offered a place in a psychiatric ward.
I think your heart is in the right place, but you are choosing to become involved in this by letting her into your home/ visiting her in hers/ helping her out and engaging with her full stop. You don’t know what is going on with this woman, for all you know she may be manipulating/ intimidating you deliberately.
Many psychiatric disorders present in ways you would not expect or recognise, you are assuming you understand her behaviour but you really don’t have any basis for that.
You need to step back, report specific antisocial behaviour to the relevant authorities as and when it happens (eg, if she’s playing loud music at night, report the noise, not that your is bipolar etc etc) and learn to be firm that you are not going to be drawn into this. It isn’t your responsibility.

fatphalange · 10/11/2024 12:32

What you said in your first paragraph just isn't true. Both services will require as much information as possible upon ringing them and they will then make a decision/send out ambulance based on priorities. They aren't just summoned and as such no one would ever 'get into trouble' for wasting their time. (Unless prank calling of course).

fatphalange · 10/11/2024 12:33

That was to Suspicious, sorry.

NotMyDayJob · 10/11/2024 12:43

You don't get into trouble for callling 999 in good faith. Of course it isn't easy to get sectioned but none of us here are qualified to judge this situation and it will be triaged based on the information provided.

Certainly the ongoing martyrdom of OP isn't improving the situation

gettingolderbutcooler · 17/11/2024 10:43

How is it going, @doginabowtie?

AppleGarden · 17/11/2024 22:34

I don’t know if this is a post code thing. One of my relatives was sectioned during a psychotic episode. He knew himself was very unwell and went to A & E numerous times but the nurses just would not do anything for him. So eventually he went out of his home and called 999 then a police car collected him from the street. The police decided that he s too ill so called the crisis team for advice. The crisis team advised the police to take him to a psychiatrist to be assessed. He was then taken to a mental hospital. My understanding was that police cannot section people while inside a building (but not really sure).
Op I think you have a genuine reason to call social services and police for your concern for your own safety and the safety of your neighbors.

doginabowtie · 18/11/2024 16:21

gettingolderbutcooler · 17/11/2024 10:43

How is it going, @doginabowtie?

I refrained from posting because I wasn't sure whether I was being accused of being a martyr.

The situation is still ongoing. I've encountered my neighbour several times as I've gone in and out of the house. She's clearly very unwell, spending quite a lot of time in the front garden or street in inadequate clothing, and all the activity and lack of food and rest have taken their toll on her. Her husband has been back a couple of times after work. I'm told he's brought food and necessities. I've tried to catch him when I've seen his car there and ask if there's anything I can do, but he slips away quietly mid-evening. I don't imagine it would be possible for him to get much sleep there. The lights seem to be on 24/7 and there's music until around 4am.

Neighbours say that she's started having daily visits from a MH team, but as I'm out most days I haven't seen anyone. I and other neighbours have talked to the GP surgery and all the other agencies but obviously they don't tell you what's going on.

I would have said a week ago that this can't go on but here we are, still going on.

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AppleGarden · 18/11/2024 17:55

Hope your neighbor is getting the help her needs. 🤞

Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 18/11/2024 18:41

You can not help her. Except keep phoning every day you see her behaving in a vulnerable or anti social way. You must refrain from trying to ‘save’ her that is not your job. Neither is it your job to look after her - she needs professional support.

doginabowtie · 18/11/2024 22:37

Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 18/11/2024 18:41

You can not help her. Except keep phoning every day you see her behaving in a vulnerable or anti social way. You must refrain from trying to ‘save’ her that is not your job. Neither is it your job to look after her - she needs professional support.

🙄

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izimbra · 19/11/2024 11:33

OP I feel so sorry for you, and for your neighbour and her family.

I said upthread that my son has bipolar 1. He was sectioned during a manic phase, but it was incredibly difficult and only happened because his consultant intervened (he was under CAMHS at the time and very ill).

I'm on a FB group for carers of people with schizophrenia and psychotic disorders and it's just a daily litany of families at their wits end dealing with siblings/partners/children whose behaviour is absolutely intolerable - dangerous and/or distressing to to themselves and everyone around them.

The common theme is the near impossibility of accessing appropriate intensive treatment for people in a psychiatric crisis - which is what your neighbour is experiencing.

I'm not suggesting your neighbour is in any way dangerous, but every time there's a tragedy involving a person with a psychotic disorder, there always seems to be a long history of failure of mental health services to address the concerns of family and friends of the sufferer. It's such a massive problem.