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Bi-polar neighbour in manic phase: difficult to live with

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doginabowtie · 28/10/2024 12:50

I don't know if this is the right forum to post on but I thought that here there may be people with the knowledge to advise me. If there is a better place for it then if you tell me I'll get it moved.

I'm newly retired (early this year) and live alone. New neighbours moved in in 2022, a couple in their late 40s. She seemed very quiet and a bit depressed. We gradually got to know each other and she used to come in and have a coffee or we'd do some gardening together on weekends when her husband (he's an NHS worker) was on rota. She wasn't someone who talked about herself much, so I didn't feel I knew her.

Earlier this year her low mood shifted and each time we met she seemed happier and more chatty. I've been away a lot since March in my camper van and on bucket list trips, coming home for a week or so now and then before setting off again. I came back home properly in mid September after a couple of months in Australia. I'm doing an MA at the local university and I needed to be here for that. Her mood and behaviour has changed again. She's very 'up' and she started turning up at my front door and ringing long and hard until I let her in. She'd walk in and tell me she'd come for tea and then walk round my kitchen helping herself to food from the fridge and talking non-stop — and not always making sense. On one occasion she went all over the house telling me what colours I needed to paint each room and that I needed to replace all my furniture. It was plain that she was on a manic high. I've had colleagues and a couple of friends who are bi-polar and I recognised what was going on.

It's continuing. She phones me several times a day, demanding that I go round there or to tell me she's coming over to me or just talking endlessly about some new idea or theory she's come up with. I respond every couple of days and then impose limits on the amount of time and attention she gets from me. On a couple of occasions when I've had to end the call because I have other things to do, she's been rude. I'm doing what I can to hold some boundaries, but after I turned off my front doorbell, she turned up at my back door, let herself in and stripped all the petals from a vase of flowers on the kitchen table. I didn't realise she was there until I came downstairs and found her. It was a shock and freaked me slightly.

I managed to catch her husband when he arrived home that evening and mentioned what was going on and he said she's bi-polar but has always refused drugs or help. She just says this is how she is and people can take her or leave her. He also said that when she gets really bad he leaves home until she's come down again. He recommended I keep my doors and windows locked, remove anything valuable from the garden and park my camper van and car elsewhere, because in the past she's smashed vehicle windows during psychotic episodes.

I noticed last week that his car wasn't on the drive and that there were lights and music on in their house through the night. There have been lights on increasingly late for a while now, so I'm guessing she's not sleeping and things are peaking. I deliberately arranged to be away over much of the weekend and I didn't answer her phone calls. I'm back now, but I've parked round the corner so she won't see the car and know I'm home. I crept around without putting the lights on last night and crept out again early. I don't know what to do now. I feel very uncomfortable hiding away like this, but I'm also nervous of encountering her in her current mood.

Any advice from anyone who'd been through something similar would be appreciated. I understand that other neighbours have complained to the police about noise, lights and intrusive behaviour but nothing has happened as a result. I suppose I may need to move out too, until she crashes.

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BobbyBiscuits · 02/11/2024 10:18

I used to know a woman like that. She'd come round and just talk a million miles a second, usually making no sense, go through the cupboards to steal my dad's fags then
Chain smokes about six packets. It was pretty distressing for me as I didn't really know what was wrong with her. I think the only thing you can do is if she knocks for you, just text her saying sorry, I'm not up for socialising today. Catch you another time. Then if she keeps knocking just ignore it. I know it must be hard for you.
I'd imagine it won't last forever and at least you can get away in your van.

pikkumyy77 · 02/11/2024 13:12

I went back to school in my mid fifties. It was so easy the second time around. Just take care of yourself and don’t let crazy neighbor throw you off balance. The important thing is you and your future.

Violetparis · 02/11/2024 13:18

Call the non emergency police number for advice - 101.

Fraaahnces · 02/11/2024 13:55

I think the police are your only option if she won’t engage with MH team. You have a right to a peaceful enjoyment of your property and she is harassing you, intimidating you, threatening you and now destroying your property. While it is abundantly clear she is very unwell, refusing to engage with doctors is a choice she has made and this has led to a situation where her MH problems have affected your quality of life and your own MH. You shouldn’t need to run away from your own home. Her husband is being complicit also… I think you should ask him how many times he has had to move due to his wife’s MH causing problems with neighbours? How much property damage has he had to pay for? What is he willing to do to ensure that you feel safe in your own home?

ZippyDoodle · 02/11/2024 15:27

This is bad.

I would contact Adult Safeguarding at the Council again. I work in a similar team and it does tend to depend on who you speak to. Some staff will go over and above. Some will do the bare minimum to get the issue out of their queue. Where I am, you can document it on an email and someone will call you back. Every report and conversation is documented on a central system so please keep plugging away.

I would also see GP and say this is having a significant effect on your mental health. It is affecting your home life (living in van!) and your studies. GP can refer to safeguarding (will have more clout than you) or could call her in for review.

Keep notes on everything that happens and ring Police to report every single time she is a nuisance.

She cannot run amok in the community making everyone's lives a misery. She needs help. If her husband can't do that then all the neighbours need to keep reporting her. If she's smashed up cars, what else is she capable of?

PunishmentRoundupWithJoon · 02/11/2024 15:38

You shouldn't have to leave your home because of this woman. Is there any way you can just be at home (with the doors locked, though this shouldn't be necessary) and simply ignore her? If she starts to create trouble, call the police. Ignore her calls. Could you even block her so she can't get through to you at all?

As someone has said, she is intimidating you and threatening you; this is a police matter.

It's appalling that your life is being affected so badly by this woman. I'm furious on your behalf. Yes, she has mental health issues, but they should not be allowed to impact on you and your life in this way. You're being forced out of your own home!

I really feel for you. Your home should be your sanctuary.

Maviz · 02/11/2024 15:59

Honestly, I'd be looking to move. She sounds very unwell and also now seems to have a grudge against you.

Pigeonqueen · 02/11/2024 16:53

PunishmentRoundupWithJoon · 02/11/2024 15:38

You shouldn't have to leave your home because of this woman. Is there any way you can just be at home (with the doors locked, though this shouldn't be necessary) and simply ignore her? If she starts to create trouble, call the police. Ignore her calls. Could you even block her so she can't get through to you at all?

As someone has said, she is intimidating you and threatening you; this is a police matter.

It's appalling that your life is being affected so badly by this woman. I'm furious on your behalf. Yes, she has mental health issues, but they should not be allowed to impact on you and your life in this way. You're being forced out of your own home!

I really feel for you. Your home should be your sanctuary.

All of this.

My dh has bipolar and when he’s in a flare / episode it can be very difficult. Your neighbour doesn’t sound like she has the insight to know her behaviour is extreme or even that she needs help. This is why it’s so important that you report everything to the police as and when it happens so they can build up a picture of how out of control she is.

Eviebeans · 02/11/2024 17:59

If incidents are not reported then there will be no record of previous history. This can be important in terms of help being provided/action being taken

ZippyDoodle · 02/11/2024 18:45

Would also suggest that you get a ring doorbell and/or security camera. I thought they were a load of old tosh but DH persuaded me to get one and it's been very useful.

You could also contact one of the mental health charities like MIND for advice on how to deal with her.

dorabora · 02/11/2024 21:19

Feel for you op. We had a neighbour who was bi polar and he took a dislike to my dh for some reason, he used to bang on the walls shouting his name it really freaked us out. One night he knocked the door and tried to head but my husband and barge his way in. Dh managed to shut the door before he got in but then he was at the kitchen windows, the police came and said he was unwell and off his meds and that was all they did basically. Things called down after the police visited him but we moved soon after, we never felt safe after that.
It sounds like your neighbour is getting a bit of a thing about you, do you have anyone that could stay with you for a while ? You shouldn't have to leave your home ! Your neighbours husband is also so irresponsible just leaving her when she is having an episode !

BlackToes · 02/11/2024 21:29

You’re being very sensible. Also the communication with your neighbour opposite sounds very reassuring amid the havoc. Once everything is calmer is it possible to talk to the women or her partner and explain that you had to leave the house for x many days due to feeling unsafe in your own home. This isn’t fair on you. How can they prevent a repeat? Please continue to report report report. Don’t suffer in silence.

SuffolkUnicorn · 02/11/2024 21:37

He dumps her when she’s having an episode because he’s leaving you to deal with her. I’d contact him at his workplace let them know what a prick he is

doginabowtie · 03/11/2024 10:07

pikkumyy77 · 02/11/2024 13:12

I went back to school in my mid fifties. It was so easy the second time around. Just take care of yourself and don’t let crazy neighbor throw you off balance. The important thing is you and your future.

Yes, I'm finding the academic side of things quite easy to get my head around, but I feel like a fish out of water atm and still trying to work out how to get to various places and some of the language/jargon. Being surrounded by so many young people is a bit challenging. There are occasions when I feel very old.

Nothing more to report. I'm heading home with the intention of moving back into the house and seeing this through. The people who live over the road have said their son will install CCTV cameras back and front if I'd like, and much as I wish I didn't feel the need I think I'll take him up on the offer. Apparently my neighbour has had run-ins with a couple of other people and it helps me to know that I'm not the sole focus of her attention.

Thanks to everyone for your support and kind words. I'd be interested to know from others who've been through this what happened in their situations and how eventually it ended. Fingers crossed it won't be too long before this is over.

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AppleGarden · 04/11/2024 07:23

I think your neighbour needs to be sectioned so that she can get help. MH system is so broken often not a lot social workers and nurses can offer to help. Only police can get her help that she cannot refuse. Would you say her maybe getting herself or others in danger? If so she should be sectioned.
Hope both your situations get resolved.

Fraaahnces · 04/11/2024 14:05

I think you will find that it is extremely difficult to get help for even the most acutely ill patients with mental health conditions even when they are cooperating with medical staff. It’s damn near impossible to have someone sectioned these days…

FluWorldOrder · 05/11/2024 19:05

@doginabowtie
This sounds like a very difficult situation.

My understanding is that the mental health act isn't triggered until some criminal activity has taken place. So to have someone "sectioned" as people are so casually suggesting is possible requires a criminal act to force some mandatory psychiatric assessment to take place (if that makes sense).

She has left a threatening voicemail and possibly damaged your tree if you can get the CCTV from the other neighbours to confirm. Unfortunately if someone doesn't want to be helped you can't force them no matter the disruption they are causing. Until they commit a criminal act and then that choice is taken away.

This is my understanding from what I have been told in Northern Ireland anyway. Hopefully this is all resolved for you soon.

Reginald123 · 05/11/2024 20:30

I was in a similar situation a few years ago with a neighbour's husband. He developed BP and an obsession with a knife collection that he started to carry round with him.

I did not feel too threatened as I always smiled and agreed with everything he said but I was v anxious for my friends and family as it felt as if he was on a "knife edge" and might just lash out if he perceived anyone as aggressive.

He was eventually sectioned and in some ways I think I have to be grateful for the knife collection as I don't think anyone would have acted without that.

If the husband can't cope with his wife and isn't reporting her problems and getting help for her then I think all you can do is get the cameras up as soon as possible , change your home phone number or report phone harassment to BT so they can act to stop phone calls.

Then I think you have 2 options - either keep your head down and have a stock phrase that you are just going out etc and don't engage with her at all or keep a diary and report everything.

If you only have one local GP service ( so she must be with that surgery ) email them and try and contact your local authority environmental noise nuisance team and the police.

If the police won't act you could consider escalating it to a police complaint - linking it to the DV type situations where police fail to act and things have happened. Contacting your local councillor or MP might help as well.

If the lady and her husband rent then that would be the best option as the landlord won't want complaints and could serve notice - but I suspect you won't be that fortunate?

If all your neighbours acted together it would be better but I guess they won't want to do that because that may affect their ability to sell their houses as they have to disclose neighbour disputes. If they did all want to act together then you could get a solicitors letter sent to the husband to warn of a potential injunction application against the wife - that may force him to act if the letter says you will ask the court to make a cost order - assuming that the wife is a joint owner of the house.

I am sorry for what you are going through - before my neighbour became ill none of us ever locked doors but that all had to change. I would be tempted to lay low and do nothing but I agree with the OPs comments that you can't be expected to move out of your own home.

I do hope her manic episode ends naturally soon - appreciate that is only a temporary solution as she will go hyper again but it would give you some respite .

doginabowtie · 05/11/2024 21:38

@Reginald123 thank you. It's reassuring to know that others have experienced something similar and got through it. They do indeed own the house, so I'm going to have to brace myself for an unanticipated future. I hadn't thought of the fact that complaining to the police about a neighbour might make the house more difficult to sell: so many things to take into account. The CCTV cameras are going in on Thursday afternoon. I've always hated the thought of CCTV, but it does seem like a good idea at the moment.

My neighbour is flying the Palestinian flag out of a bedroom window at the front of the house. I've been communicating with her for a couple of years now and she's never mentioned a word about politics and now she's yelling anti-Israel abuse into the street. She's up all night, the lights are on and there's music playing, but fortunately I have blackout blinds and earplugs and have managed to sleep through.

I've been invited to join the What's App group that includes most of the houses in this part of the street. It's useful to know what's going on but I really don't like the way some people are speaking about her. Some people really can't seem to understand that she's ill and her behaviour isn't a choice.

The police are aware of an issue but as @Reginald123 says, she has to do something criminal before they'll intervene. They've liaised with the mental health team who apparently say our neighbour is in no immediate danger. Someone says they've been told that she's having a formal assessment later this week, but there are so many rumours I'm not holding my breath. The husband has been contacted by a couple of neighbours and says there's nothing he can do: this has happened before and she takes no notice of him.

I'm fortunate: I can keep myself busy by going into college each day and staying out of her way. I sneak back each night in the dark. She's just started playing loud rock music as I'm typing. She has the windows of her house open. So I'm going to put my earplugs in and have an early night. Good night all.

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shellyleppard · 05/11/2024 21:46

@doginabowtie hope you sleep well x

suburberphobe · 05/11/2024 21:53

Oh, I feel for you OP.

I have a neighbour like this. Awful when she goes off on one.

She gets sectioned immediately.

I don't live in UK.

Fraaahnces · 06/11/2024 03:48

I have very close family members with Bipolar disorder. The husband CAN do things to help encourage her to engage with MH teams but he has his reasons for choosing not to. (When she is manic she will probably be hyper sexual and when she is down, she will be resentful and blame him.) There are two people in this relationship and he is choosing to be there for his own reasons - whatever they happen to be. I agree with someone up thread that he is passing the buck to his neighbours, by playing helpless he isneglecting her and disrupting many, many people.
You can call the police for a welfare check. State that she hasn’t engaged with medical care and is clearly unwell. State that you are concerned for her well-being as you believe that her husband has no interest in encouraging her to dialogue with medical care and she is both being neglected, medically and psychologically vulnerable and at risk of every form of harm.

doginabowtie · 06/11/2024 10:41

State that you are concerned for her well-being as you believe that her husband has no interest in encouraging her to dialogue with medical care and she is both being neglected, medically and psychologically vulnerable and at risk of every form of harm.

I can't say that. I don't know his past experience. One of the neighbours told me the husband said, several weeks ago, that his wife was getting manic again and that it was always a nightmare. He alluded to the fact that she refuses to accept that she's bi-polar and has refused psychiatric help over the years. Someone else says that in the past the husband has been attacked by her. None of us knows. I don't see how he could be expected to stay in the house with her, with the lights on and music going much of the time. It's not as if he has a hope in hell of persuading her not to do it. You have bi-polar family members so you'll know how intransigent and deaf they become as they go into a manic phase. Perhaps he's reached the stage where he just can't take it any more.

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Bucket07 · 06/11/2024 10:55

It sounds like you initially had a good relationship with her so I would wait for her to "come down" until she's in a place where she's regained insight, and then have a chat with her. It is highly possible she will feel remorse and shame for her behaviour. I would clearly state my boundaries eg when you are in your manic state I won't be answering the door etc. Then if she does continue with unacceptable behaviour, police every time.

SuspiciousAloysius · 06/11/2024 10:57

You need to put it out of your head that you understand how bipolar works and therefore understand her behaviour.
She could been misdiagnosed, could have a dual-diagnosis, could have a personality disorder, could be self medicating/ abusing drugs or alcohol, for all you know she may never have had a formal diagnosis of bipolar at all.
The important thing is that she is harassing you, you need to contact the police (and keep any evidence) as pp have said and report anti social behaviour. And don’t let her into your house.