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Bi-polar neighbour in manic phase: difficult to live with

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doginabowtie · 28/10/2024 12:50

I don't know if this is the right forum to post on but I thought that here there may be people with the knowledge to advise me. If there is a better place for it then if you tell me I'll get it moved.

I'm newly retired (early this year) and live alone. New neighbours moved in in 2022, a couple in their late 40s. She seemed very quiet and a bit depressed. We gradually got to know each other and she used to come in and have a coffee or we'd do some gardening together on weekends when her husband (he's an NHS worker) was on rota. She wasn't someone who talked about herself much, so I didn't feel I knew her.

Earlier this year her low mood shifted and each time we met she seemed happier and more chatty. I've been away a lot since March in my camper van and on bucket list trips, coming home for a week or so now and then before setting off again. I came back home properly in mid September after a couple of months in Australia. I'm doing an MA at the local university and I needed to be here for that. Her mood and behaviour has changed again. She's very 'up' and she started turning up at my front door and ringing long and hard until I let her in. She'd walk in and tell me she'd come for tea and then walk round my kitchen helping herself to food from the fridge and talking non-stop — and not always making sense. On one occasion she went all over the house telling me what colours I needed to paint each room and that I needed to replace all my furniture. It was plain that she was on a manic high. I've had colleagues and a couple of friends who are bi-polar and I recognised what was going on.

It's continuing. She phones me several times a day, demanding that I go round there or to tell me she's coming over to me or just talking endlessly about some new idea or theory she's come up with. I respond every couple of days and then impose limits on the amount of time and attention she gets from me. On a couple of occasions when I've had to end the call because I have other things to do, she's been rude. I'm doing what I can to hold some boundaries, but after I turned off my front doorbell, she turned up at my back door, let herself in and stripped all the petals from a vase of flowers on the kitchen table. I didn't realise she was there until I came downstairs and found her. It was a shock and freaked me slightly.

I managed to catch her husband when he arrived home that evening and mentioned what was going on and he said she's bi-polar but has always refused drugs or help. She just says this is how she is and people can take her or leave her. He also said that when she gets really bad he leaves home until she's come down again. He recommended I keep my doors and windows locked, remove anything valuable from the garden and park my camper van and car elsewhere, because in the past she's smashed vehicle windows during psychotic episodes.

I noticed last week that his car wasn't on the drive and that there were lights and music on in their house through the night. There have been lights on increasingly late for a while now, so I'm guessing she's not sleeping and things are peaking. I deliberately arranged to be away over much of the weekend and I didn't answer her phone calls. I'm back now, but I've parked round the corner so she won't see the car and know I'm home. I crept around without putting the lights on last night and crept out again early. I don't know what to do now. I feel very uncomfortable hiding away like this, but I'm also nervous of encountering her in her current mood.

Any advice from anyone who'd been through something similar would be appreciated. I understand that other neighbours have complained to the police about noise, lights and intrusive behaviour but nothing has happened as a result. I suppose I may need to move out too, until she crashes.

OP posts:
doginabowtie · 06/11/2024 20:32

Home tonight to 9 sheets of paper neatly folded and posted through the letterbox, with an unfolding set of complaints that I'm breeding giant rats that I'm setting free to chew through the wiring in her car (she doesn't have a car), and she's called the police and the council on me. I'm also accused of affecting her wifi and she says I and one of the other neighbours are talking to her through her speakers. There's other random stuff that doesn't make any sense. I've phoned the police again and was given a number to call which turned out to be an out of hours mental health team.

I get the feeling that this could go on for quite some time.

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dorabora · 06/11/2024 20:33

doginabowtie · 06/11/2024 20:32

Home tonight to 9 sheets of paper neatly folded and posted through the letterbox, with an unfolding set of complaints that I'm breeding giant rats that I'm setting free to chew through the wiring in her car (she doesn't have a car), and she's called the police and the council on me. I'm also accused of affecting her wifi and she says I and one of the other neighbours are talking to her through her speakers. There's other random stuff that doesn't make any sense. I've phoned the police again and was given a number to call which turned out to be an out of hours mental health team.

I get the feeling that this could go on for quite some time.

She's fixating on you op

dorabora · 06/11/2024 20:34

This is what my old neighbour got like with dh, he got very scary

SuspiciousAloysius · 06/11/2024 20:40

I've phoned the police again and was given a number to call which turned out to be an out of hours mental health team.

For her, or for you?

carly2803 · 06/11/2024 21:32

oh gosh OP you poor thing this is so scary

doginabowtie · 07/11/2024 13:57

Not really scary. I don't think she'll actually do anything.

The water company has had an emergency vehicle round and the water to the road/ area was shut off briefly because, it appears, my neighbour complained about sludge in the mains supply. I'd already left the house so missed the excitement.

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pikkumyy77 · 07/11/2024 15:45

Paranoid and delusional. This is more than bipolar.

2triangles · 07/11/2024 15:47

Paranoia is a very common symptom of mania. She needs to be in hospital.

fatphalange · 07/11/2024 16:01

Sympathies, OP. My lone neighbour has episodes of psychosis and I've had to be pretty relentless about getting the authorities involved for fear of him seriously hurting himself, resulting in sectioning. This is on a whole scarier level though as this is actually intruding on how you're going about your life and affecting you personally. Flowers

NestaArcheron · 07/11/2024 16:07

Please continue to call the police at every new incident and keep everything logged with dates and times. Keep on at adult social services as well. Hopefully the police will eventually force her to get some help as it is completely unfair for you to be living like this. And I say this as someone with complex mental health issues that desperately didn't want help.

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2024 16:16

She said to me a couple of times that if my neighbour really was suffering from bi-polar disorder she would be known to the MH team at social services and someone there would be monitoring.

What fucking bullshit!

As if mental health services are remotely this well informed and resourced!

Get CCTV and keep reporting to the police.

Mental health services won't do jack shit.

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2024 16:22

doginabowtie · 06/11/2024 20:32

Home tonight to 9 sheets of paper neatly folded and posted through the letterbox, with an unfolding set of complaints that I'm breeding giant rats that I'm setting free to chew through the wiring in her car (she doesn't have a car), and she's called the police and the council on me. I'm also accused of affecting her wifi and she says I and one of the other neighbours are talking to her through her speakers. There's other random stuff that doesn't make any sense. I've phoned the police again and was given a number to call which turned out to be an out of hours mental health team.

I get the feeling that this could go on for quite some time.

You need a desist letter making it clear that further harassment will result in you taking further action including civil action and they are not to contact you again.

You can take civil action against harassment by taking it to court and getting a harassment order.

At this point if you are getting persistent complaints about nonsense the police can consider this a breech of the order and are legally obliged to step in and do something even if no other fucker will.

Seriously, start treating this as harassment and treat accordingly.

PotterHead1985 · 07/11/2024 16:28

Oh op I feel for you. Have a woman on my road very similar (no idea as to diagnosis but she definitely has serious mh issues). She does go from one extreme to the other. And when bad there is screaming, shouting, accusing people of stuff, throwing things, she's slashed her husbands tyres and smashed his windows. Mind you (like your neighbours husband) he is no help. He has some sort of issues (anger and the likes) and he somehow mistreats her and definitely makes her worse. It's awful when she's in a manic mode and the police don't care.

dorabora · 07/11/2024 16:30

Where do you guys all live ? We have no dramas on our road it's all rather boring, I'd be out the window all the time 👀

AltitudeCheck · 07/11/2024 16:49

Sorry to hear you are dealing with this.

Our NDN is v similar, at its worst she was blaring music, standing outside in the street screaming obscenities and repeatedly slamming her front door over and over for hours at a time... always peaking in the early hours of the morning. She was eventually sectioned after pulling all her loft insulation out onto the front garden and thowing paint and lots of her personal belongings over our fence and those of other neighbours... but it was months of hell.

Get cameras up, report every occurrence to the police even if it's as a welfare concern, log a noise complaint with the council. It took many, many calls for our neighbour to get the help she needed. You can be sympathetic to her illness and still hold the line that this is absolutely unacceptable behaviour.

Fedupandstressed · 07/11/2024 19:21

dorabora · 07/11/2024 16:30

Where do you guys all live ? We have no dramas on our road it's all rather boring, I'd be out the window all the time 👀

Boring is good. Boring is safe.

Used to have a schizophrenic neighbour, placed there by a charity. Called police and SS numerous times. Even went to the corner shop to call police as he was waiting on the doorstep sharpening a knife when I had my (then) littlies with me. Eventually I contacted my mp and that worked. He/charity were evicted.

dorabora · 07/11/2024 20:11

@Fedupandstressed oh dear sounds awful and very frightening. My post was light hearted though !

Iwashopingnottobreakmyduck · 07/11/2024 20:13

premierleague · 28/10/2024 15:21

Lock all the doors to your house and ignore the doorbell? Why is your back door unlocked?

Also I would call the police that she is harrassing you, and obviously report any vandalism. Might help her to get some medical help even if she is refusing.

This report all harassment and vandalism she needs help

Blueskieslookingatme · 07/11/2024 20:42

dorabora · 07/11/2024 16:30

Where do you guys all live ? We have no dramas on our road it's all rather boring, I'd be out the window all the time 👀

It's not remotely funny.

SuspiciousAloysius · 07/11/2024 21:08

@doginabowtie

I actually do think you might get better advice if you post another topic. Mental Health is generally for people who have depression/ anxiety/ other mental health problems to get advice and support.
We can’t give you any insight into what is going on with your neighbour and honestly this is probably not the best place to vent about the behaviour of someone who may have mh issues to people who might actually suffer from things like bipolar disorder. If you are looking for practical advice on what you can do, maybe try Legal or something.

Roofroofroof · 07/11/2024 21:25

The op has been nothing but considerate and compassionate in how she is talking about her neighbour. To the extent she is sleeping in her van and not in her own home to accommodate the neighbours needs.
I think that talking about how to best live with and next to a neighbour with mental health problems is completely appropriate for the mental health boards.

I am also in contact with someone with bi-polar that is causing me some distress. I am finding theis post helpful and full of insight.

doginabowtie · 08/11/2024 00:15

Really sorry to hear that so many of you have had similar experiences. I now have CCTV, which I'm not thrilled about. The neighbours son also found a way of securing the letterbox and I'm going to buy a postbox that can be screwed to the wall of the house by the door, meaning that there's no way stuff of any kind can be posted directly into the house. I'm sad it's come to this, but there we go. It feels as if life has changed quite radically, at least for the time being.

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BlackToes · 08/11/2024 01:00

FluWorldOrder · 05/11/2024 19:05

@doginabowtie
This sounds like a very difficult situation.

My understanding is that the mental health act isn't triggered until some criminal activity has taken place. So to have someone "sectioned" as people are so casually suggesting is possible requires a criminal act to force some mandatory psychiatric assessment to take place (if that makes sense).

She has left a threatening voicemail and possibly damaged your tree if you can get the CCTV from the other neighbours to confirm. Unfortunately if someone doesn't want to be helped you can't force them no matter the disruption they are causing. Until they commit a criminal act and then that choice is taken away.

This is my understanding from what I have been told in Northern Ireland anyway. Hopefully this is all resolved for you soon.

It’s not to do with criminal acts, it’s the degree of safeguarding risk someone is to themselves, their families, the public.

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 08/11/2024 04:49

Hi Op I didn’t see it mentioned here but if you know her GP that’s absolutely the right team to approach, she obviously needs sectioning but this is difficult to do in the community- her GP will need to do a home visit they can get the ball rolling for mental health to attend then they will both need to sign the paperwork to have her sectioned and they will arrange the police, whilst it’s not easy it does happen and she desperately needs help- go to the GP explain your concerns and her diagnosis and say you feel she needs sectioning as she is a risk to others and herself… good luck OP

Cantbelievethatimafoolagain · 08/11/2024 05:07

Could you make an anonymous call to the police and say this woman is trying to set the house on fire or something to get her sectioned.