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Basically I’m an awful person

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Archeron · 22/06/2023 10:22

I’m autistic and I struggle to make friends or get hired. My counsellor suggested I have low self esteem and it’s preventing me from trying to make friends or apply for jobs. She told me to write down my good qualities, and to ask people who know me what my good qualities are.

So I asked my mother what are my good qualities? She said none - you’re a whinger and a terrible housewife and I can’t even say you have a good personality because you don’t really. Then she felt guilty and said well I suppose you’re very clever and you love your kids.

Then I asked DH, who said I’m very clever and logical and work to a high standard. But he looked at the long list of positive personal qualities provided by my counsellor and he couldn’t say that any of them apply to me. He even crossed off some positive qualities that I had written down about myself. I said why did you marry me then? He said because you used to be pretty.

Finally I asked my father. He said I’m very clever and organised. But again he couldn't list any good personal qualities. I said why do you like me then? He said because you’re my flesh and blood.

So basically this has just confirmed that I’m an awful person and this is why nobody wants to be my friend or hire me. If my own parents and husband can’t say anything positive about me then what chance do I have.

OP posts:
capercorn · 23/06/2023 09:30

I agree with @Amiable, this is my take on it too. I have unkind family, I also chose an unkind husband as I was used to being treating badly. Take this to your therapist, I think it's great you are doing therapy, keep going, you're doing a great job.

MisschiefMaker · 23/06/2023 17:05

Archeron · 22/06/2023 20:15

Why did you think you might be kind, OP? What kind things have you done for anyone lately?

I found a hedgehog with a poorly foot and I took it to the vet and paid for its treatment. It take my elderly aunt shopping every week. A lady in the street asked for directions and I didn’t know where it was but I helped her to find it. I helped an acquaintance of my mums who wanted to start a little cake baking business from home, she needed support to do the paperwork. I cooked for my dad because he’s been poorly. I gave my neighbour some of the strawberries I’d grown. Just little things, I’m not Mother Teresa but I try my best.

DH is right, I mostly don’t like to get involved with strangers in case it backfires. But I try to be kind when the opportunity presents itself.

Oh you are much nicer than I am!

I also think you must have a certain amount of resilience to put up with such shitheads in your life.

AuntMarch · 23/06/2023 17:22

You sound lovely!

Unfortunately people who are raised by arseholes often end up married to one.

Archeron · 23/06/2023 17:23

JessieLongleg · 23/06/2023 06:03

This is why we need friends, I'm sure if you asked my friends they would say very different things from my family. I find it hard as well and after my recent health problems hardly have any left. I find it hard just having family around me, it's not just about validation. I think it's natural to want to have strong bonds with people that we get on with

I don’t have any friends due to being autistic, that’s one of the things I’m working on with counselling. I get rejected a lot when I try to make friends and it makes me think I must not be very nice.

I asked my mum today why she said such horrible things to me. First she claimed she didn’t say that, then she said it was just a joke and I obviously can’t take a joke.

OP posts:
Xeren · 23/06/2023 17:26

Archeron · 22/06/2023 10:22

I’m autistic and I struggle to make friends or get hired. My counsellor suggested I have low self esteem and it’s preventing me from trying to make friends or apply for jobs. She told me to write down my good qualities, and to ask people who know me what my good qualities are.

So I asked my mother what are my good qualities? She said none - you’re a whinger and a terrible housewife and I can’t even say you have a good personality because you don’t really. Then she felt guilty and said well I suppose you’re very clever and you love your kids.

Then I asked DH, who said I’m very clever and logical and work to a high standard. But he looked at the long list of positive personal qualities provided by my counsellor and he couldn’t say that any of them apply to me. He even crossed off some positive qualities that I had written down about myself. I said why did you marry me then? He said because you used to be pretty.

Finally I asked my father. He said I’m very clever and organised. But again he couldn't list any good personal qualities. I said why do you like me then? He said because you’re my flesh and blood.

So basically this has just confirmed that I’m an awful person and this is why nobody wants to be my friend or hire me. If my own parents and husband can’t say anything positive about me then what chance do I have.

So you’re imaginative (likes reading), interesting (has hobbies) and ambitious / independent (applying for jobs).

Doesn’t sound awful to me!

Archeron · 23/06/2023 17:27

Thank you to everyone who has made a nice comment. It seems like I’m fishing for compliments but I’m really not. I was just upset and venting because my closest family couldn’t even say anything nice about me. Thank you for being supportive even though I don’t know you, I’m having a hard time at the moment and it means a lot.

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mrssilky · 23/06/2023 17:29

Hi OP. Frankyour mother is a negative bitch to say that to you. Please don't ask more people about your personality, as an autistic person myself, I know that it can get obsessive trying to work out how to be amenable to NT people. Please be kind to yourself. Your husband should have been more sensitive in his reply to you.
You are fine the way you are. Just fine🌸

mrssilky · 23/06/2023 17:29

*frankly

IceSwimmer · 23/06/2023 18:36

I feel for you.
Society in general doesn't make it easy for us NDs to maintain any self-esteem. "Ordinary" life is difficult, confusing, overwhelming for us, leaving little over for social niceties.
I find applying abstract qualities to myself really hard - is that an autistic thing? However I can see from your post that you are loving and caring (children and husband), faithful, thoughtful, express yourself well in writing (good one for employers), intelligent. I expect in your hobbies you are creative, self-motivated, practical, patient, accurate and have an eye for detail (employers like these too). Would you help out an elderly neighbour? Then you are kind, generous and compassionate. Do you research your hobbies to learn new techniques? This would show that you're innovative, flexible and curious.
Try scenarios: if I do this, or would do this if the situation arose, what qualities do I display and/or use e.g. my children are fighting, I stop them, I am fair, firm, consistent, just etc (or try to be - it's difficult, and some traits we have to work on).
I too find making friends difficult - I am not sure what moves someone from acquaintance to friend category. I no longer "try" to make friends. I do a few activities (outdoor swimming, dog agility) where I see people regularly. Because of the shared activity, I can hold a reasonable conversation about it, without seeming too obsessive, and a core group of these people accept me as I am. Maybe if you could find a group that shares your hobby you might go along, perhaps having mentioned to an organiser beforehand that you are "shy". Don't expect instant friends, just go for an opportunity to share an interest and over time (mine have taken several years) some relationships may form.
Incidentally there is so much more to life than boring, tedious, dull housework etc. I think I have lost my vacuum cleaner, it's so long since I used it🤣🤣🤣

latetothefisting · 23/06/2023 19:08

OP I agree that it's the people around you that are the issue!
Your DH is being absolutely ridiculous - if you handed a pound coin in to staff they would a) think you were absolutely mad and disproportionate and b) almost definitely keep it themselves rather than leave what they were doing, go to the customer service desk and go to the effort of logging a flipping quid in the lost property book or whatever the process might be!

From the examples you gave I would definitely agree that you are kind - they may seem like small things to you but many other people wouldn't bother with any of them. You clearly go out of your way to help others with no expectation of reward, I don't see how that can be anything other than kind!

just from the comments and examples you have given in this thread I would also say you sound
-curious and inquisitive, if you like reading and learning things
-interesting and passionate - people who have hobbies are almost always -interesting, much more so than those for whom cleaning is the be all and end all
-resilient and resourceful and hardworking - all the techniques and structure you've put in place to counteract the way your autism impacts on daily life
-patient and generous - given the horrible comments you've had from your family!
-also very fair (as per the above, you've taken into consideration why their particular personalities/issues might affect the way they speak to you - even if it isn't justifiable of them)
-have a strong sense of self

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