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SSRI neurotoxicity?

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Umeboshi · 18/06/2021 22:14

Recently my partner was prescribed fluoxetine and had a horrible experience on it. From the very first tablet, he felt 'stoned' and this only got worse as he took more. He was shocked, as his GP and friends who take SSRIs had led him to expect a subtle therapeutic effect, not a powerful mind-altering drug! I started to do some independent research, and quickly came across the Panorama series of investigations into GlaxoSmithKline's fraudulent marketing of paroxetine. Some of the experts speaking in those documentaries offered extremely thought-provoking information. Next, I discovered a talk with Dr Grace Jackson, who claims the consistent trend from multiple studies indicates that SSRIs lead to shrinkage of the hippocampus, damage to the brain's serotonin network, impaired blood flow to the brain leading to white matter hyperintensities. By this stage, I was alarmed! Has anyone else looked into these matters? It seems fairly certain, as I understand it, that SSRIs are addictive for many people and now it seems they are also implicated in neural damage! Then why in God's name are GPs continuing to prescribe them on such a huge scale? To my immense relief, my partner has now decided against trying other antidepressants, and we're going to look at alternative treatments. Am feeling very shaken up by all the information I've discovered from scientists who appear to be credible, ethical and fair-minded in their assessment of SSRIs. I'd be grateful for suggestions of effective natural remedies for depression. And interested to hear other perspectives on this.

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Frenchwindowsopen · 19/06/2021 08:01

I too am interested in this. Similar to your partner, I recently had a terrible experience taking an SSRI. It's now four weeks since I stopped taking it and I'm still suffering from the after effects. I'm angry that I was offered this powerful and unpredictable drug for what was, at the time, fairly mild anxiety. It made a bad situation massively worse. I'm sure lots of people must have this experience. Is there some kind of online support group for people who are trying to manage their mental health using natural methods? I could do with some help!

Umeboshi · 19/06/2021 17:20

Am sorry to hear about your experience, @Frenchwindowsopen. Did you take it short-term or long-term? An online support group for natural mental health management sounds like a great idea. I wonder if there is one out there. What I've found so far is a forum for people coming off antidepressants and dealing with the damage they've caused: www.survivingantidepressants.org/ . And a website with information from professionals who are skeptical about the safety and efficacy of psychiatric drugs: cepuk.org/

I know there are herbs that can soften anxiety: valerian, hops and passion flower, among others.

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terraclutter · 19/06/2021 18:53

I was prescribed Fluoxetine in 2019 for like anxiety. I had the most awful experience. My anxiety went through the roof and I couldn't leave the house. I had my daughters birthday party and when I look at photos of this I look utterly spaced out.
I tried it for 4 weeks, each day getting worse, horrendously anxious, spaced out. My face went really puffy.
I now run and this has been the best Therapy for my mental health.
I'm so so glad I didn't persevere with fluoxetine as I think past 4-6 weeks it can become very addictive.
I would never try another AD again.

terraclutter · 19/06/2021 18:54

*mild anxiety

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 18:59

I think you need to bear in mind the following:

These drugs are safe and widely used throughout the world.

You will feel worse before you feel better. They can make you feel stoned/anxious/depressed for 4-6 weeks before they work.

If you want to read scare stories on the internet then that’s fine. It sounds like it wasn’t taken for long enough to be therapeutic.

Stop panicking and catastrophising and give it chance to work. Fluoxetine is an excellent drug.

Umeboshi · 19/06/2021 19:52

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow Actually I carried out research into what leading and highly respected scientists are finding. For example, Dr Joseph Glenmullen, who teaches psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and has written extensively on the topic. I expect he knows a good deal more than your GP does about SSRIs. The Panorama series showed GlaxoSmithKline was fraudulent to the point of triggering a criminal investigation by the UK authorities. They were also paying large sums to scientists to put their name to research papers which had actually been ghostwritten by their own people. These research papers were then published in the leading medical journals, which are trusted and relied on by medical professionals. This Wiki page gives more information about the ethical abuses involving paroxetine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Study_329 I'd recommend watching the series in full.

If you can present evidence refuting Dr Jackson's and Dr Glenmullen's claims that SSRIs have been found to cause brain damage, then please do share it with us.

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Umeboshi · 19/06/2021 19:54

More here from Dr Glenmullen:
www.harvardmagazine.com/2000/05/the-downsides-of-prozac-html

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PrimulaPrimrose · 19/06/2021 19:59

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MumUndone · 19/06/2021 20:05

It works for me. I'd probably be dead without it.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:07

I can’t. Just millions and millions of people have taken it without long term brain damage for 40 years. I’m sure some doctors think like that. I don’t see my gp, l see a pyschiatrist. He’s never mentioned any of it.

I’ve been on lots of drugs, never had any problem withdrawing even on the so called ‘addictive’ ones.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:14

But that article is ancient. It’s been knocking around for 20 odd years.

It was just a backlash to ‘Prozac Nation’

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:16

There’s always eminent doctors who are anti anti depressants and millions of contraversial studies.

Fact is depression is one of the worlds leading disability and the main cause of death in under 35’s and until soneone invents something else we are stuck with Fluoxetine. Which has transformed and saved the lives of millions, but that doesn’t count.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:18

And Oaroxetine isn’t prescribed for teens in the U.K., so that article is pointless too.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:18

Paroxetine even..

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:20

And that ‘Surviving anti depressants’ is just for people who want to moan.

Umeboshi · 19/06/2021 20:23

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow Yes, some people truly can't function without antidepressants, and for them the benefits may genuinely outweigh the risks. But many top professionals do question their safety and efficacy. The truth is not enough independent research has been done into their long-term effects.

'Mousseau doesn’t want to scare people off antidepressants. “They certainly do benefit some people,” he said. “But we do find this association (with dementia) and, if nothing else, I think the discussion needs to begin.”'

'A total of nearly 1.5 million people were pooled from the five studies. Overall, the pooled estimates showed that people with dementia were twice as likely to have been exposed to an antidepressant compared with people without dementia. When the studies involved people under 65, the risk was threefold, perhaps reflecting longer drug use, Mousseau said. The link was strongest with the SSRIs, and lowest with older antidepressants.'

nationalpost.com/health/antidepressants-may-be-doubling-risk-of-alzheimers-and-other-dementias-study-suggests

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Umeboshi · 19/06/2021 20:27

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

And that ‘Surviving anti depressants’ is just for people who want to moan.
That is a truly offensive thing for you to say! If you spend a couple of minutes on that forum reading about patients' experiences of suicidal akathisia brought on by SSRI usage and feel no compassion for them, then you are callous beyond words.
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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:27

But SSRI’s are 40 years old. How many more long term effects do you need?

The ones that cause Alzheimer’s are the TCA’s which are anti cholergenic. Not the SSRI’s. But if you want to believe The National Post….

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:31

It’s scaremongering on that website, that’s why l sound callous. Akathesia is a known side effect. You switch drugs when that happens.

No one posts about how well they make them feel, people only post the horror stories. A classic thing on the internet.

You seem very new to this, using outdated studies and reading forums. I’ve been taking them for 30years. Not got Alzheimer’s or destroyed brain yet.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:34

And according to this, they help Alzheimer’s. And this is a medical journal. We choose what we want to read🤷🏼‍♀️

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323339

Fluoxetine is on the WHO organisation’s list of essential drugs.

PerciphonePuma · 19/06/2021 20:38

I'm on Duloxetine (120mg per day) which is an SNRI and they're amazing! I was on Fluoxetine for a decade and they did absolutely nothing! No effect whatsoever

PerciphonePuma · 19/06/2021 20:40

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I think you need to bear in mind the following:

These drugs are safe and widely used throughout the world.

You will feel worse before you feel better. They can make you feel stoned/anxious/depressed for 4-6 weeks before they work.

If you want to read scare stories on the internet then that’s fine. It sounds like it wasn’t taken for long enough to be therapeutic.

Stop panicking and catastrophising and give it chance to work. Fluoxetine is an excellent drug.

On a completely different subject, may I please ask you what the story is behind your username?!?! Grin
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:41

Good luck with your alternative therapies. I’ve tried them all. They did Jack as did counselling.

However Venlafaxine which I’m on ( an SNRI) kicks ass and is a game changer.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/06/2021 20:42

Ha ha there is no story!!

I just like that phrase ‘I’ll show my arse in the Co op window’ and being a northern lass l used it as a username. Or maybe I’ve got Alzheimer’s?😂

PerciphonePuma · 19/06/2021 20:45

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Ha ha there is no story!!

I just like that phrase ‘I’ll show my arse in the Co op window’ and being a northern lass l used it as a username. Or maybe I’ve got Alzheimer’s?😂

🤣

Northern lass here too! North Yorkshire.

Pretty sure I'm on the road to Alzheimer's anyway but only because it runs in the family!

My arse is always in the Co-op!