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Honest advice needed - am I crazy

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Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 15:32

I have been with my fiancée for two years and he proposed after just six months. The first year of our relationship was wonderful. I’d been through a terrible break up with an ex who had cheated on me, and it was refreshing to be with someone who was honest, loyal and transparent about everything. He was never sneaky or deceitful, sung my praises openly to all his friends and family, was happy to tell me anything and was just totally committed, kind, caring and supportive; I couldn’t believe my luck.

A few months after we got engaged, I started to experience horrible paranoia and suspicion about the most random things. I convinced myself that he must be cheating like my ex did with no evidence of this at all. I started questioning him constantly about his romantic history, all his exes, and became suspicious of almost any woman he interacted with. I accused him of lying about all kinds of stuff, I would try and find any evidence I could that he had been unfaithful. I found nothing. In return, he helped me realise that I was suffering from anxiety and depression, probably brought on by my previous relationship. He gave me full access to his phone and all his passwords in an effort to reassure me. He would sit with me for hours on end listening to my worries and responding to them. But it almost seemed like the more he reassured me the worse I became; as though I was subconsciously determined self harm by uncovering some wrongdoing on his part.

After a few months of this he understandably started to lose his patience. He began arguing with me and telling me how angry he was that I didn’t trust him when he had been totally faithful to me.

There was one woman in particular I was paranoid about. He had been close friends with her through work for years before he met me, but nothing romantic/sexual had ever happened between them. He was open with me about their friendship from the start, she was invited to our wedding, there were no red flags such as hiding her messages/calls etc, he was totally happy for me to see what they were talking about. She is attractive and when I asked him, he said he had fancied her when they first met years ago but that it had quickly turned platonic and they had never been more than mates.

One day I asked to see his phone because I just couldn’t stop the worrying. I went into their message thread and ended up scrolling all the way back, to years before he and I had even met. I saw that during our relationship, all his messages with her had been matey and non flirtatious; he had mentioned me and our engagement a few times and there was nothing suspicious about their interaction. However, when I scrolled back to the years before we had met and at the time he was single, there was definitely some flirty banter going on. Things like joking about whether they should hook up etc - she’d tell him about her latest date and he’d say ‘date me instead’ etc - but it did appear to be in a jokey way and there was lots of other general non flirty banter; they also called each other ‘mate’ and ‘bro’ and it was clear from the messages that they never actually hooked up, but there were definitely a few flirty light hearted undertones.

I told him I had read these messages. I accepted that they all took place before I had even met him, but I asked him why he had always insisted that their relationship was entirely platonic when he had clearly flirted with her for the duration of their friendship before he met me. He dismissed it as nothing and said it was just cheeky banter that he did with a lot of people when he was single, it didn’t mean anything and he never actually wanted anything to happen with her, and nothing ever did. I can’t stop dwelling on it. Is he lying/trying to pull the wool over my eyes? He keeps telling me that it’s just my anxiety and delusion but that’s hard to accept when I have seen plainly flirtatious messages in black and white. Am I over reacting- do I have genuine reason to worry or is he right?

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TowelNumber42 · 29/10/2019 16:26

If you love him, leave him. He doesn't deserve this.

My partner chats to attractive women often. He even flirts gently. I do the same with men. We both know the other is faithful. Therefore it isn't a problem.

Every time you read a single message of his, every time you ask even one question for reassurance, never mind the extreme intrusion of taking his passwords, reading years of historical private messages, quizzing him for hours at night, every little thing is you telling him he's a shitty man.

Everything reveals that you believe he is a lying cheat. Everything you've written on this thread shows that you believe he is a lying cheating bastard. Dump him.

Never date anyone whose phone you feel the need to check. Never date anyone who makes you feel deeply nervous when they chat to good looking women. Now, for you, it seems you will think that about any man so that means you shouldn't be with any man until you sort out your low opinion of men.

isitpossibleto · 29/10/2019 16:26

YABVVU

hellsbellsmelons · 29/10/2019 16:27

and that I am so toxic I deserve to be dead
OK OP. This is not OK thinking.
Please get to your GP asap and discuss what your options are.
Your Ex was horrible and cheated.
What you are feeling is a real over-reaction and some medication might help get your brain to balance out again.
Take any and all advice that you can.

1forAll74 · 29/10/2019 16:29

What do you mean he continued to flirt with this woman, when he was single, are you real? I feel sorry for your partner,having to be questioned about his life before, and also the hideous thing , of scrolling through all his phone. Its unhinged behaviour,and not nice at all.

You have found someone you love, and now you are kind of betraying him with all this,as in not trusting him, all because of this old flirting stuff.

You simply can't base your life now, on your past. relationship, and things that went wrong. You really should be able to deal with this,if you have a mature mind, and see clearly for once.

Nearlyalmost50 · 29/10/2019 16:30

OP, it seems to me you need help with your mental health and quite urgently. I would make an appointment with your GP as someone else has said. There is no point us telling you about our own relationships (I certainly have lots of platonic as in not had sex or even kissed relationships with my male friends but we are flirty) because your behaviour is waaaay beyond that. You actually believe a lot of things which are false and are trying to drag him into your world.

Even if he had flirted many years ago before he met you, it wouldn't justify your interrogation and emotional abuse of him (as I bet you question him about every interaction).

Please do seek help, I am not sure this is even just about your current relationship, or relationships in general, you seem to have lost touch a bit with reality and are becoming obsessed and this is a sign you need help to right your brain a bit and get back on track, which you really can do.

Movinghouseatlast · 29/10/2019 16:30

Please, please find a way to stop this. In the end you will drive a good man away.

Relate see people alone to talk through issues like you have. Or you could find a therapist who can help you.

rvby · 29/10/2019 16:31

Sweetheart, this is an emergency, you need to go to the doctor and ask for help. You do not deserve to be dead. You are not well.

Dont make any long term decisions right now. You're in crisis and it's not your fault, you must ask a professional.person to help you. Print out your responses on this thread and show the doctor and ask for medicine that will stabilize your thoughts.

Once your thoughts have calmed down, you can have a think about future decisions but right now you need urgent help xx

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 29/10/2019 16:31

*I feel that nothing I say or think is of any value and that I am so toxic I deserve to be dead

Please do not think this.

I am asking you to do 2 things today:

Please call your GP now and make an urgent appointment.

Print out this thread and show it to your DP. Make him realise that you know you need to seek help and that your behaviour is not normal.

TowelNumber42 · 29/10/2019 16:33

You are right not to trust your sanity. You've lost your grip on reality. See the GP. They can help.

You've been challenged robustly on this thread, which culminated in you making a suicide threat. Do you do that with him too?

Naillig222 · 29/10/2019 16:35

OP you do not deserve to be dead. Please don't be thinking that way. You should contact your GP if you have feelings/thoughts like that.

As others have said, your behaviour is not normal in a relationship. I understand it stems from both anxiety and your relationship history, but you cannot treat somebody like that.
Scrolling through years and years of somebody's messages isn't normal. It seems he was honest about the relationship being platonic. A bit of a flirt means nothing and it does seem like it was very harmless flirting.

Please speak to your GP and it would be no harm to speak to a prefessional about your anxiety etc as you will end up pushing him away. 1

MrsAJ27 · 29/10/2019 16:38

You need help asap. It must be hell on earth living like this for both you and your partner.

It doesn't sound like being in a realtionship is the best thing for your mental health.

End it and seek some counselling, time to work on you.

FabbyChix · 29/10/2019 16:41

You are way over reacting and I. Surprised he is still with you. Even friends flirt but it never comes to anything. I can’t see how you can expect him to be with you it must be horrendous for him

SouthernComforts · 29/10/2019 16:42

I nearly posted before your last message. You need urgent help for your paranoia and anxiety. You are abusing your fiance.

In any situation when a woman is trying to leave an abusive relationship on here, they are warned the abuser will most likely threaten to harm themselves. I believe you are genuinely not thinking straight right now, and you need to seek help for your mental health ASAP.

BlingLoving · 29/10/2019 16:42

Everyone has already said it, but just to agree - you need to urgently see your GP and also seek counselling. If you can afford it, go private as that will be quicker and more frequent and you need to start working on this asap.

I agree with a PP - is the way you are responding on this thread how your conversations with him go? IN which case, at best, you will drive him away. At worst, you will start to massively affect his mental health and he will be the one seeking support down the line.

Please seek help. TODAY.

BumbleBeee69 · 29/10/2019 16:42

OP you're analysing these messages from the wrong perspective.

They are his past, way before he even met you. Have you shown him all the conversations you had with men that you had before meeting Him ?

I think you have been horribly unfair and I don't think he should be in a relationship with you, imagine a female came on here and said her Partner had done this? He would be called controlling and manipulative.

I think you are controlling, and it's not good.

Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 16:46

I’m not going to commit suicide. I don’t threaten to commit suicide. They are just thoughts that I have of wanting to escape the hellish trap that is my mind.

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Wild123 · 29/10/2019 16:47

@Bella1378 in the nicest possible way you are crazy and most definitely abusing this man you love and who clearly loves you. Please seek help for both your sakes.

It doesn't sound like he down played or lied to you, i have flirty platonic banter with my male friends at times.

You WILL lose him if you do not sort yourself out.

SouthernComforts · 29/10/2019 16:48

Ok, that's good. What are you going to do?

Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 16:49

Get counselling ASAP.

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Ohnoherewego62 · 29/10/2019 16:55

Oh OP!

How troubling for you!! Is there anyone in real life to support you through this? Aside from your partner. Like a friend or trusted family member?

Agree to making yourself an appointment with GP asap. You're not a bad person. You have been scarred before by someone else's selfish and horrible behaviour but it doesnt have to affect how you go forward.

You know how you're feeling isnt right and maybe you just need to see a trusted professional to help you process the hurt, lies and past experiences that are destroying your current relationship.

Please be kind to yourself.

Anotherlongdrive · 29/10/2019 16:55

OP I was married to someone like you. I ended up fleeing the property with my kids and I now have PTSD.

And saying things like 'I deserve to be dead' is typical abuse behaviour. I get you sont mean to be like this. But the fact remains that you are.

I have been with my now dp a while. The anxiety and trauma I have suffered isnt an excuse to abuse my dp. It's just not.

You should take a break whole you seek help. You need help, not focused on this relationship.

You went through years of messages. Years. To prove their friendship was inappropriate. That's not ok. People flirt or have flirty banter with friends. It stopped when he met you.

My exh used to go through my phone, scrutinise every conversation I had with anyone. Accuse me of gas lighting him because I wouldnt admit to flirting when I wasnt. All the things you do, sound like my exh.

You need to step away and get help. Just counselling may mor be enough. You need to see your gp.

Derbee · 29/10/2019 16:56

Your Fiancé sounds lovely and understanding. Get counselling, work on yourself and your trust issues, and don’t push him away.

Goodluck OP. Be kind to yourself, whilst also allowing someone professional to help you.

chemicalworld · 29/10/2019 16:57

Bella, I used to feel like you. I was completely convinced my partner would cheat, and spend all of my time fixating on our relationship.

In my case, I had huge abandonment issues from childhood, which I got help for - i've had a lot of counselling and spent time doing that.

Please know that it really can help, I am a different person to what I was 10 years ago and I feel free of all of those fears and anxieties. I wish you lots of luck, and I am really glad that you are going to get some talking therapy.

Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 18:00

Now that I’ve come this far I may as well be completely open. I had some therapy a few months ago but I was afraid to be totally honest with the therapist about the extent of my questioning and untrusting behaviour, because deep down I recognise that it is emotional abuse albeit not intentional abuse. How do you tell a therapist that you are a monster without them reporting you or judging you?

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