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Honest advice needed - am I crazy

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Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 15:32

I have been with my fiancée for two years and he proposed after just six months. The first year of our relationship was wonderful. I’d been through a terrible break up with an ex who had cheated on me, and it was refreshing to be with someone who was honest, loyal and transparent about everything. He was never sneaky or deceitful, sung my praises openly to all his friends and family, was happy to tell me anything and was just totally committed, kind, caring and supportive; I couldn’t believe my luck.

A few months after we got engaged, I started to experience horrible paranoia and suspicion about the most random things. I convinced myself that he must be cheating like my ex did with no evidence of this at all. I started questioning him constantly about his romantic history, all his exes, and became suspicious of almost any woman he interacted with. I accused him of lying about all kinds of stuff, I would try and find any evidence I could that he had been unfaithful. I found nothing. In return, he helped me realise that I was suffering from anxiety and depression, probably brought on by my previous relationship. He gave me full access to his phone and all his passwords in an effort to reassure me. He would sit with me for hours on end listening to my worries and responding to them. But it almost seemed like the more he reassured me the worse I became; as though I was subconsciously determined self harm by uncovering some wrongdoing on his part.

After a few months of this he understandably started to lose his patience. He began arguing with me and telling me how angry he was that I didn’t trust him when he had been totally faithful to me.

There was one woman in particular I was paranoid about. He had been close friends with her through work for years before he met me, but nothing romantic/sexual had ever happened between them. He was open with me about their friendship from the start, she was invited to our wedding, there were no red flags such as hiding her messages/calls etc, he was totally happy for me to see what they were talking about. She is attractive and when I asked him, he said he had fancied her when they first met years ago but that it had quickly turned platonic and they had never been more than mates.

One day I asked to see his phone because I just couldn’t stop the worrying. I went into their message thread and ended up scrolling all the way back, to years before he and I had even met. I saw that during our relationship, all his messages with her had been matey and non flirtatious; he had mentioned me and our engagement a few times and there was nothing suspicious about their interaction. However, when I scrolled back to the years before we had met and at the time he was single, there was definitely some flirty banter going on. Things like joking about whether they should hook up etc - she’d tell him about her latest date and he’d say ‘date me instead’ etc - but it did appear to be in a jokey way and there was lots of other general non flirty banter; they also called each other ‘mate’ and ‘bro’ and it was clear from the messages that they never actually hooked up, but there were definitely a few flirty light hearted undertones.

I told him I had read these messages. I accepted that they all took place before I had even met him, but I asked him why he had always insisted that their relationship was entirely platonic when he had clearly flirted with her for the duration of their friendship before he met me. He dismissed it as nothing and said it was just cheeky banter that he did with a lot of people when he was single, it didn’t mean anything and he never actually wanted anything to happen with her, and nothing ever did. I can’t stop dwelling on it. Is he lying/trying to pull the wool over my eyes? He keeps telling me that it’s just my anxiety and delusion but that’s hard to accept when I have seen plainly flirtatious messages in black and white. Am I over reacting- do I have genuine reason to worry or is he right?

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SurfingGiantess · 29/10/2019 16:00

He chooses you! He wants you! Please don't mess it up because of your insecurities. Believe him and enjoy it.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 29/10/2019 16:00

I think you're doing to the MN collective, what you're doing to him.

Ignoring all the good advice and trying your level best to find fault. Find something that isn't there.

I think you need to seek help before you commit to marrying this guy. I don't think you're ready for a relationship and you need to let him go and find someone to have a relationship with who's capable of having one. I'm afraid your bordering on being emotionally abusive towards him.

quincejamplease · 29/10/2019 16:01

There is no maybe.

You are abusing him. There is no excuse.

AnuvvaMuvva · 29/10/2019 16:01

You can't believe your good luck in finding someone as seemingly flawless as he is, and for him to love you.

So you won't rest until you can find a flaw. Then you'll hold it up the to the sky and shout, "Behold! Proof that I am truly not lovable by anyone decent!"

You'd do well to see a counsellor. These are deep-seated issues, probably dating back before your cheating ex, and you need to fix them or you will honestly HATE being married.

Cohle · 29/10/2019 16:02

I don't think he has done anything wrong. I do think that if you carry on with this behaviour you will lose him. Are you angry enough over the past flirtation that you want that?

fikel · 29/10/2019 16:03

Your behaviour is appalling, I think you need to sort out your relationship with yourself first and foremost. I agree with others that this is an abusive relationship, try and put yourself in his shoes

Scarydinosaurs · 29/10/2019 16:04

You’re hurting him, you know your behaviour hurts him, you know he’s done nothing wrong, and you won’t stop until you’ve caught him in a tiny white lie and blown it up into a huge problem.

You need therapy.

AloneLonelyLoner · 29/10/2019 16:04

What he did before he met you is nothing to do with you! Flirting. Wild sex. Platonic friendships. Fancying a person. None of it.

You are being abusive. Imagine if a man were doing this to his partner. I'm sorry for being so blunt. It's just awful and you are making yourself miserable too.

You have a bad history, but it's no excuse because you are doing this in a rational way knowing it is harmful.

Just stop.

Skittlesandbeer · 29/10/2019 16:04

You’ve got yourself quite far into a spiral of delusional thinking about this. You’ve effectively invented a problem where none exists.

Can you see how your insecurities will become a self-fulfilling prophecy? It’s like you’re daring him to leave you with your snooping and moods. Get proper counselling before you succeed. You’ll only have yourself to blame if he does. Not him, and not his friend.

If you don’t get your thinking recalibrated, do you see that you’ll just end up being (unnecessarily) suspicious of loads of other women in his life? Colleagues, business contacts, distant relatives?

Usually women are told to ‘trust your instincts’. I’m afraid from what you’ve written, you really shouldn’t do that. And I suspect your issue goes further back than your unfaithful ex, likely your relationship with a parent? Go and find out, love. Please, do it soon.

bluebirdie · 29/10/2019 16:04

You are going to lose this man if you don't stop. He hasn't lied at all, he's told you the friendship is platonic and from the messages you've read, there is nothing to suggest otherwise. It sounds like your previous relationship has left you with severe trust issues, and I think you should address those as it's ruining the relationship you are in now. I feel for you and your partner, but I don't think you can sort these issues out on your own.

BrassTactical · 29/10/2019 16:06

You aren’t listening, you really aren’t and I feel for this poor guy.

He’s done nothing wrong, it was platonic they never had any intimacy, he hasn’t lied! So what he flirted? Flirting is pretty much something everyone does even in relationships!

You are going to seriously damage this guy and if I was his friend I’d tell him to dump you. You need to seek counselling and apologise.

Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 16:06

I really appreciate the blunt and direct advice. Thank you. I do need counselling for anxiety as it cripples me to the point where I can’t focus on work or anything else except my relationship.

I think sometimes I fuel my own worry by reading other threads on forums like this; things in which people express worry that their partner is close friends with an attractive female. Many of the replies on those threads seem to support the author by saying it would worry them too etc, especially if there was a past attraction.

So to hear that I’m delusional when it happens in my case is so confusing. I must have totally lost the plot.

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Doggybiccys · 29/10/2019 16:09

OP you have asked for honest advice - yes, it is crazy what you are doing. He's done nothing wrong - he may have perhaps played down how much he fancied her to spare your feelings but you have no right to get all uppity about stuff before you met (unless it was murder, abuse etc).

My H definitely fancied one of his close female friends when he first met her through work - but she would never have got with him as she just saw him as a friend (i.e. he didn't have enough money!!). I'm sure he would have given his right arm to go out with her - but it just never happened and over the years, they became close friends. I never felt threatened by it like you are. You do need to work on your issues or you could end up spoiling this and other relationships in the future.

penisbeakers · 29/10/2019 16:10

Wow. If he has any sense he will walk away. If this was a bloke doing all this everyone would be frothing. This is abusive behaviour on your part.

lookingatthings · 29/10/2019 16:11

If you are so severely anxious that you need constant reassurance, but are not seeking any professional help for that anxiety, then you are being abusive. No one deserves the live the way you are making him live. Yes, he does it because he loves you, but if you don't get professional help, he may not put up with it for much longer. And if he does, you will eventually destroy him.

BrassTactical · 29/10/2019 16:15

Bella because you are picking things that substantiate your anxiety, the brain does that if it’s in threat. It sees only the negative on those threads, no the balance and reinforces the fear.

You need to go to the GP and get anxiety meds and counselling. But I fear even from your latest post you won’t.

Step away from forums and social media and focus on the man in front of you. Past history and anxiety and MH issues should not be used an excuse to emotionally damage someone else.

You are being cruel rather than dealing with your own issues and you will (rightly) lose him. An ex FB of mine who moved onto be married once contacted me and proposed a liaison. He’d always been faithful but due to his past she never trusted him and eventually he said fuck it, if I’m getting the blame anyway I may as well do it. Obviously I turned him down, but do you see where this is headed? A self fulfilling prophecy.

Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 16:15

My paranoia is so bad that I find myself over analysing almost any interaction he has with another female. For some reason (and I don’t know why because it doesn’t seem to bother other people) I literally cannot bear the thought of another woman thinking or even mistakenly perceiving that he fancies her or is flirting with her. Like if we are at a wedding and he chats to one of my female friends, I find myself worrying that perhaps she thinks he fancies her. I’ve had female friends saying to me about other married/engaged men, things like ‘yeah he obviously fancied me ... I feel sorry for his wife/girlfriend etc’ and I have a crippling fear about the possibility that this could one day be said behind my back about me and my relationship. Does no one else ever feel this way? When you see your partner chatting to an attractive woman, how do you manage not to feel threatened in any way?

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BeUpStanding · 29/10/2019 16:15

OP, in the kindest possible way you are delusional, and although you might not mean to, you are abusing your partner.

Please seek help. Your GP is always a good place to start.

hellsbellsmelons · 29/10/2019 16:16

Bless you OP.
You honestly need to end this relationship.
Do some work on yourself.
Then get back out there when you are ready.
You are NOT ready yet for another relationship.
Just read your posts back to yourself.
Yes, you sound totally paranoid and the poor bloke couldn't even have a platonic flirty before he was even with you.
THAT is what you are stating here.
THAT is not normal.
Take some time out for YOU and work on YOU.
I've been screwed over loads.
But I do not behave like this in a relationship.

supersop60 · 29/10/2019 16:18

I manage not to feel threatened because I know I'm not threatened.
Please get some help or you will drive him away.

Itsallpetetong · 29/10/2019 16:18

His relationship with her is totally platonic, they have never had a physical relationship, they enjoyed a bit of flirting that, even you admit, stopped when he met you.

He may get to the point of thinking he may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. Please book some counselling.

Bella1378 · 29/10/2019 16:21

It’s actually reassuring for people on here to tell me I am delusional. I needed to hear it from someone objective. He called me delusional about these messages too, and my response was how can I be delusional when it’s there in black and white? I convinced myself he was gas lighting me and being one of those people who is in the wrong but tries to make their partner question their own sanity. And all I ever do nowadays is question my own sanity. I don’t trust my own instincts at all in the relationship and that has now spread into my work and friendships; I feel that nothing I say or think is of any value and that I am so toxic I deserve to be dead.

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BeUpStanding · 29/10/2019 16:22

X-post. People with healthy boundaries and self-esteem do not feel threatened by their partner talking to other people (even attractive ones).

The level of paranoia, anxiety, obsessive thoughts, and controlling behaviour you are exhibiting needs professional help. The good news is if you are willing to get help, including maybe medication, it can get better. Please go to your GP.

KevinKlineSwoon · 29/10/2019 16:24

I hjave a close male friend. Our familiar, bantery messages would sound flirty if someone read them. Nothing would ever happen between us

BeUpStanding · 29/10/2019 16:26

Go to your GP, you can make an emergency appointment.

You can also ring the Samaritans any time for free on 116 123 to talk about how you're feeling.
www.samaritans.org