Do healthy people experience suicidal thoughts?

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I have n.c.
I am aware I am depressed, but it is situational as opposed to chemical Imbalance, if you get me?
Everyday I have suicidal thoughts, how I would do it, what would be the impact, I relay scenarios in my head such as the kids will be fine eventually etc.
I know this isn't true, i have no intention of ever acting on it, but I suppose I am trying to get an idea of how bad this is. I often wake up wishing I didn't, I function okay, but I am deeply unhappy and I just don't see it ever getting better. I think life is just bad for some people and that includes me.
However that being said I would never act on it because my logical brain knows how hurt my children would be and I am really really trying hard not to fuck them up and destroy there lives.
Not entirely sure what I hope to gain from this post,maybe someone has been through similar.

Shit..I thought I had nc but obviously not

I think when times are very tough it is common to think this way. I hope things get less tough for you. Even having a few things to look forward to can help a lot.

I haven't checked their numbers and I'm irritated that they've not quoted their sources but:

It is difficult to know how common suicidal feelings are, as many people describe them in different ways and many will never ask for support. However, a recent survey estimated that around 20% of the population will experience suicidal feelings in their lifetime and 6.7% of people will take action to end their lives.

www.time-to-change.org.uk/about-mental-health/types-problems/suicidal-feelings

I realise the isn't directly helpful as it doesn't comment on healthy people but it seems that such thoughts increase when people experience health problems (both physical and psychological) so this might be difficult to disentangle.

www.awp.nhs.uk/advice-support/conditions/suicidal-feelings/

I am aware I am depressed, but it is situational as opposed to chemical Imbalance, if you get me?

Are you receiving any treatment or appropriate interventions, OP? Is your GP aware of your circumstances?

Just be aware that many people try and kill themselves after drinking a fair bit of alcohol. So avoid drinking much.

Thanks, I have things that I should look forward to but I'm finding it hard to experience positive emotions.
It's hard to see a way past the gloom truthfully I am just trudging along every day.

I am aware I am depressed, but it is situational as opposed to chemical Imbalance, if you get me?

Are you receiving any treatment or appropriate interventions, OP? Is your GP aware of your circumstances?

I am aware of what I need it's not possible.
I know I need a lot of talking therapy. Not possible, financially (no NHS).
I have spoken to GP she is very good but immedietly offered anti depressants. I don't feel they will help much because my daily situation is toxic.
Also I could not afford refills.

Please visit your gp. Although you are sure you wouldn't do it, these feelings take on a mind of their own.
To answer your question, I have stopped eating healthy and haven't done much exercise in a few weeks and I feel like crap again. But I am going to start Monday.
Can you map these thoughts I had the same thoughts on and off for years, turns out after keeping track I saw it was for 14days every 14days. I have pmdd.
Do everything to stop these thoughts, take medication if necessary, learn some CBT tips on YouTube.

Sorry seen your update.

I try to eat well, excercise and I have to practice meditation or else I get overwhelmed.
What got you through it emerald?

St John's Wort and exercise have been proven as good for mild to moderate depression as anti depressants. St John's Wort is cheap here, don't know about where you are.

One thing I found useful when life was very tough was to when you feel a bit better, write down things that make you feel a bit better. And then when you feel bad, work through them. It might be things like have a bath, go to bed, go for a walk, listen to music, etc. Whatever works for you. The idea is not to make you happy, but just to feel less bad.

Also with situational depression, it can sometimes be anger turned inwards. If this is the case with you, getting in touch with that anger will make you feel better.

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That's good advice thank you.

Also I know it is hard, but it does help if you can get to bed at a decent time. If you are alone, one thing that can help is playing the radio low in your bedroom, especially if it has people talking. That gives your mind something to focus on and it makes it much easier to drift off to sleep.

Pleas don’t ever act on it!!!! I have seen the devastation it caused and many many life’s affected by it!!

Please seek help!

You mentioned it’s not chemical it’s environmental. Are you in a toxic relationship or have money issues?

And if it is anger turned inwards, getting in touch with that anger will give you the help to make changes.

Posted too soon!

What I was going to say Op is that you can change your environment! Unless it’s something which has already occurred in the past. But there’s is still help for this outside drugs if you don’t want to take them!

Even small things like taking to someone face to face or even in MN can help. Xx

I really am in no danger of doing anything in the foreseeable, I suppose no one knows what their future holds.
It's really not as simple as change your environment, I won't get into it but at the moment that's simply nots possible.
I have just been thinking about how in my head I am just so cruel and callous to myself. My inner monologue is a really heartless bitch.
I have so much empathy and compassion for others suffering but I don't ever seem to be kind to myself.
My thoughts go from thinking no one wants or needs me in their life and I would not be missed to..I don't deserve to live a happy life so I should end it.
I know that I don't really want that to happen.
I am doing everything in my power to to help my toxic situation but unfortunately I have to play the long game.

Thanks for all advice so far I'm off to bed but will be back tomorrow

OP, what's going o man in your life to make you feel this way?

I too suffer from depression: therapy is too intense for me but I have been seeing a life coach instead. She's managed to completely turn around my self-loathing/internal thoughts.

"Suicidal ideation" is a thing, and not nearly as uncommon as you might think.

I for one have experienced it, on and off throughout my life. Most notably during a very difficult pregnancy. And it was exactly as you describe it in your OP, i.e. I'd have countless "scenarios" running through my head constantly, all the different ways... But on the other hand, I found it strangely reassuring, as in "I could, but I won't/choose not to". Reminding myself that the option of an "easy way out" will always be there, when everythig else fails. It was what saved my sanity in the long run. Because I could. But I won't. Because there is always a light at the end of every tunnel. No matter how faint it might appear at the moment. It is worth pursuing and holding onto.

I've had this from the age of 3, also due to situations, but it seems like such a big decision and can so easily go badly that life would have to be constantly unbearable for me to actually do it.

Of course.

Hello OP, we are really sorry to hear you are feeling this way.

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I think there are 2 types of suicidal thoughts.
The first type is to wish you would not wake up, or think it would have been easier if you had never been born.

The second type is to tell yourself that people would be better off without you, or make plans as to the method you might use.

I think if you are having the first type its a sign that you need to do something for your mental health before it gets any worse, and that the second type is more urgent.
Don't use home remedies like St Johns Wort if you are thinking about methods. I would say see your GP and get support and anti depressants.

user The OP does not live in Britain and can not afford to pay for prescriptions for anti depressants. That is why I recommended St Johns Wort as it is proven to be effective in clinical trials, and is cheap.
In many parts of the world people have to treat themselves for all but extremely serious illnesses.

Hope you managed to get some sleep.

This link is to a free CBT self help course. I haven't done it, but you might find it useful.

www.getselfhelp.co.uk/step1.htm

Also I don't know if you can make phone calls abroad cheaply, but if you can, saneline in the UK is very good.
www.sane.org.uk/what_we_do/support/helpline