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Can anyone throw any insight into why I continually sabotage myself?

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JammingtonDodger · 08/12/2015 10:03

I drag my feet about getting things done every single day, despite knowing full well that starting earlier and being more organised would lead to a relaxed happy day. In the mornings I procrastinate and procrastinate and convince myself that I still have time to shower, make packed lunches, etc etc etc, until it is clearly too late and my anxiety during the last few minutes before me and the DC get out of the house is raised to fever pitch - I am racing around almost in tears, my breathing is too fast and I make the kids' mornings crap before they even get to school.

I don't understand what it is that deludes me into thinking that 'this morning is different, I still have plenty of time'. I can't do packed lunches the night before, I just get unbelievably tired and can barely get up the stairs to bed - and I HATE making the lunches so much as all three DC are so fussy and it takes a stupid, disproportionate amount of brainpower trying to figure out what I have and what they'll eat. I dread doing the packed lunches every day.

I just don't know why I make things so difficult for myself. On the few occasions I have meal planned for the evening, for example, my life runs so much more smoothly and it is SUCH a relief not spending the entire day worrying about what I might be throwing together for dinner ...

Why why why????? I feel if I could identify why I'm like this I might have some hope of changing. It's as if I don't want to grow up and be a capable, organised adult. But WHY???

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NameChange30 · 09/12/2015 12:03

moopy
"Bit harsh op comparing your situation to cancer. Cancer isn't a choice, you choose not to do things. People with cancer are fighting a battle with illness."

I'm a bit wary of this type of comment. Of course cancer is an extreme example, and not comparable - it would have been less emotive to use a broken leg as an example! But I think the OP was making an important point which is that mental illness is an illness (the clue is in the name) and not a choice people make or something they can snap out of. I don't actually know whether the OP has a mental illness (still need to read the whole thread properly) but it's certainly an issue she's having difficulty with. So the PP who said "snap out of it" or whatever was being harsh. (This is the mental health board, not AIBU!)

JammingtonDodger · 09/12/2015 12:35

DrGoogle, I'm sure you and NoSquirrels are correct that I need counselling and I intend to look into it.

To be fair though, although I am grateful for so many people's kind suggestions and household tips etc here, it's not the reason I started the thread. As the title says, I really feel the need to get to the bottom of why I choose to deliberately make my life so difficult when it doesn't need to be. Why, for example, I will sit tight knowing that a supermarket shop I just did will take me 35p over my overdraft limit and I will be charged £15 for doing so ... but I don't do anything to stop it while I still can, and incur the charge anyway. I mean, WTF?! Why I set myself small tasks - one was simply to make sure I carried my 'red book' (notebook/organiser thingie) round with me wherever I went, in an attempt to get tasks and lists written down when I'm out and about, but couldn't even stick to that.

It's like some kind of self-destruction. On a small scale, I totally admit - but it's still crap. You clearly have no sympathy for me, and that's your prerogative. But I think it was/is reasonable for me to try and explore the causes of my inertia, and was hoping that people here might be able to enlighten me, even just a little bit. Thanks for your contributions.

Thanks, AnotherEmma Thanks

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NoSquirrels · 09/12/2015 12:48

So you know that you are resisting yourself, and you are the authority figure here. You also mentioned upthread that you sort feel rebellious towards your Dh sometimes.

Is this a pattern in your life? Did you ever get into trouble at school for not following the rules? Has this ever happened at work?

I like Gretchen Rubin's theory of personality types: Upholder, Questioner, Rebel, Outsider.
gretchenrubin.com/happiness_project/2013/01/four-personality-types-which-one-are-you/

You sound like a fairly typical Rebel (resists rules) but maybe you are actually an Obliger . . .

Do you know what Myers-Briggs type you are? Does that give you any insight?

Have you read the Procrastinator Monkey & the Dark Playground posts? (You'll know if you have!)

JammingtonDodger · 09/12/2015 12:58

Wow, I am definitely an Obliger, no question! I was never a rebel to my parents, schoolteachers or anything. Utter goody-goody. Never dyed my hair or pierced my nose! And not into adrenalin kicks either, for the person who asked upthread. Hate skiing and rollercoasters etc.

I would clearly prefer to be an 'Upholder', though Sad

I will check out myers-briggs and the procrastinator monkey, thank you, NoSquirrels Thanks.

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NoSquirrels · 09/12/2015 13:11

This is the quiz.
I like Gretchen Rubin's stuff.

JammingtonDodger · 09/12/2015 13:26

Ha ha ha, that quiz has me coming out as Rebel! That's weird. At work, for instance, I just want to get the job done and go home. And I feel strongly that I want to be an efficient, organised adult - Christmas cards are starting to come through the door from friends who have plenty of kids themselves, and I am beating myself up about why I couldn't just have taken a Saturday night in November and got them all written. Still not.

I will subscribe to the email thingie she asks for to get more of a detailed report ...

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absolutelynotfabulous · 09/12/2015 16:03

I'm a Rebel too (and a procrastinator).

Next question: what the jeff has being a Rebel got to do with procrastination? Is it something to do with rebelling against expectations? ( albeit subconsciously perhaps)?

JammingtonDodger · 09/12/2015 16:24

That's what I'd like to know, fabulous. Yes, I suppose we're rebelling against what's expected of us (eg having a productive housework day as a SAHM during the half of the week when I don't work).

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mercifulTehlu · 09/12/2015 16:38

I'm a bit like this too, OP. I went straight from university (where I too would leave assignments to the last minute) to then spending 20 years working in a job with a rigid schedule where my life was governed by bells. I worked hard and was very productive because my time was broken up into chunks and organised for me. I am clearly very bad at directing my own time.

I think I am essentially lazy, and only the fear of bad consequences actually kicks me into action. E.g. I love love love having a tidy, clean house, but only ever achieve this when visitors are due to arrive!

The website mentioned upthread about the procrastination monkey is really good actually. Reading it was a bit of a lightbulb moment for me and I've been a bit more organised since. Can't remember what it's called - hang on, I'll check...

Oh and btw I don't think it's necessarily caused by low self-esteem (although feeling out-of-control like that can probably eventually give you low self-esteem ). I have a pretty good opinion of myself (apart from my organisational skills) Grin.

mercifulTehlu · 09/12/2015 16:42

here it is

MrsJayy · 09/12/2015 16:58

This is how iused to live my life its a deep rooting fear of not doing it right (i think)so i arsed about and then paniked mine was tidying the house it got so bad id get in a tizz and not do it till my house was chaos and filthy Blush
one day i just had a word with myself a little bit each day then id reward myself with 30 minutes internet or tv so its reversing it helped me loads. What you can do is make a mental list of lunches they like do the boxes after tea they can fill them with drinks and stuff put that in the fridge so you know you have extra time to faff in the morning.

NameChange30 · 09/12/2015 17:50

Just caught up properly with the thread.

NoSurprises and merciful, thanks for the links! I'm an OBLIGER (thought I would be and the quiz confirmed it). And the Procrastination Monkey posts are brilliant. I'm going to try and follow the tips in Part 2!

Anyway, back to the OP... I wonder if you're rebelling. Do you enjoy being a part-time SAHM? Would you prefer to work full time and share the housework and childcare responsibilities more equally with DH - or outsource them? If so, I suggest you think seriously about making it happen. If not, would it help to remind yourself why you decided to be a part-time SAHM?

To answer your question:
"What does your counsellor say about the reasons behind what you're doing (or not doing, probably), AnotherEmma?"
My therapist is helping me with a CBT technique called "behavioural activation". It's quite practical and it focuses more on changing my behaviour than analysing WHY I'm doing (or not doing) things. BUT I know that I don't do things because I'm depressed and lacking in motivation and energy. And it feels overwhelming to do things. What has helped so far is breaking the tasks down into very small, very achievable mini tasks. For example, I had to write about 8 thank you cards and I'd been putting it off. My therapist suggested that I just write 2 cards, then have a break, even if I wanted to write some more. It really helped me to start because I knew I only had to write 2. Then I had a break (I had to force myself!) and after that I wrote 2 more. I posted them and felt really good about doing it. Before, I might have beaten myself up about "only" doing 4 and still having 4 to write (actually, I probably wouldn't have even started, so I would have beaten myself up about not doing it at all!) Anyway, a day or two later I wrote the rest of the cards and it was done Smile It might sound silly but it's a small thing that made a big difference to me. Once I've started doing something, I'm not very good at taking breaks. So I think that might be a factor in not wanting to get started - if I'm not just getting started, but also working on the task until I finish, it's potentially a huge undertaking. I think that's why breaking things down into small, achievable chunks is so key.

If we apply this principle to your issues, you could maybe make one lunch box the night before (instead of all three), for example. I'm not sure about a PP's suggestion of giving that task to your DH (when DH does things I should have done, I feel guilty and even more of a failure!) but you could certainly share the meal planning, whether you do it together or take it in turns. And try applying the principle of breaking it down: just plan meals for three days ahead (instead of a week or a whole meals!!) Maybe you could start a physical folder or a digital document with the meals you plan - just add them as you go along. Then you'll be able to go back to it for reference and ideas.

Funnily enough, meal planning is something I find quite difficult - I suspect lots of people do. It's doesn't help that your children are so fussy! You need to address that really. Is it something you could discuss with DH? Could you agree on a strategy that you will both implement and help each other with?

Lastly... If you would like to try CBT (I do recommend it) look up IAPT services in your area. You should be able to self-refer (that's what I did). There was a bit of a wait but it was worth it.

SearedChestnut · 09/12/2015 19:28

Hi Jammington (love the nn btw!)

Here's some Thanks Thanks Thanks for you as I think your honesty is really impressive.

I don't think you are lazy - and I don't think it is at all helpful for you (or others on here!) to label yourself like that either.

First, I don't really think it is possible for anyone with three children under 9 years who are loved , clothed, fed, and live in a relatively clean house to be truly lazy.

Secondly, if you were truly lazy, you wouldn't be bothered about getting them to school on time or brushing their hair before they go and you wouldn't be posting on here asking for advice about how to change.

And as you say, if it was as simply as saying to yourself "right, well I am going to stop being "lazy" tomorrow", then huge numbers of people like me and you wouldn't have so many problems with procrastination - just ask the tax office!

I really feel for you because I struggle with some of the same issues which (only in part!) I have managed to overcome to some degree.

If you are anything like me, then there could be a number of factors at work here:

  1. you mentioned that your mother has depression and has always procrastinated
this must be key even though you say that you are not depressed yourself, I think you might be (I obviously don't know for sure!) ie there are clues in your posts such as "Everything seems so complicated to me, and strewn with obstacles." (this in relation to finding tupperware to store food). And when you say about not wanting to get up and dressed on Saturdays for the grocery delivery.

And even if you are not clinically depressed, you are bound to have learnt depressive thought patterns and behaviours from your mother, even if you are not consciously aware of them. For example, she may not have modelled "how to live life, get the boring stuff done but stil enjoy yourself at the same time" (my mother certainly didn't!). You might find therapy helpful to overcome and change these "default" ways of thinking.

You also mention anxiety in your first post, and depression and anxiety often go together.

So it could be worth having a chat with your gp to establish (a) if you have any physical problems that are making you feel tired/overwhelmed and (b) if you are depressed or not.

  1. do you have perfectionist tendencies?
I ask this because I do and it means I get "stuck" on a particular task because I get very tense about doing it "properly" which means I avoid doing it. Also, I don't think the grocery delivery man would drop down dead if he saw you in your pjs Grin I am sure he sees many interesting sights on his rounds! Grin And the dc won't starve if you switch to school dinners for a while!

My advice would be to lower your standards and hold your chin up high (easier said than done I know) but if you are not anxious and apologetic about things "not being perfect" ie you are comfortable being in your pjs or tracksuit bottoms when the shopping gets delivered, then others will react in that same way too (obviously this applies to much more than grocery deliveries!)

  1. you might be struggling with motivation simply because you don't have enough things in your life that aremotivating and fulfilling right now!! A lot of emotional energy is used up when you raise dc. And, a lot of household chores and chores related to bringing up three dc, are frankly endless, boring, repetitive and particularly soul-destroying because they all need doing again a week later. This results in us delaying them, which results in us not having time to do the things we enjoy ie it becomes a vicious circle.

The answer to this is to ring-fence (and stick to it whatever!!) one or two hours for yourself per week to do something you really, really enjoy. You will, I promise, feel better for it!! And it will allow you to "bank" a bit of energy for yourself/restore yourself.

Do you mind me asking how it came about that you are working three days a week and at home for two? Was it your choice? Do you find your job interesting? Are you expected to do most of the chores at home in your two days off?

How supportive is your oh?

I remember the days when I did a job I loved and I came back home and happily cooked or cleaned or did laundry - because there was sufficient fulfilment in other areas of my life - that I didn't feel resentful or depressed about doing some chores! It was a good contrast!

However, now I can't work properly (expat/tax reasons) and I am stuck only working a few hrs a week, doing volunteering, and being a sahm for the rest - a decision I was never consulted about - I feel really quite resentful and demotivated.

Just wittering on about all of this because it might be helpful to ask yourself some honest questions about all of this!! Such as, are you delaying things to create a last minute "crisis" to give yourself a buzz because you are fundamentally bored?

Or are you not doing things because you are resentful (consciously or unconsciously) that you have found yourself in a position where you are working 3 days a week and choring for 2 and basically not finding either much fun?

Also, I know quite a few mothers whose employers have allowed them to go down to three days a week but still expect them to take on a full work-load. Are you sure this isn't the case with you?

  1. I've found developing almost subconscious "habits" helpful when it comes to facing the endless household chores. You say you tried a system in which the house is divided in to zones - which sounds like Flylady - although it fell by the wayside.

I just wanted to say that I have found Flylady really helpful. The language on the site is barftastic in the extreme and I don't follow the system slavishly at all but quite a few of her cleaning "rules" are really helpful such as just doing one thing for 15 mins, having a morning and evening routine that becomes automatic, not being perfectionist about things!

I post on a long-standing thread on here where we follow the Flylady system imperfectly and support one another along the way - it may seem a bit cliquey because many posters have been on it for 5 years plus - but we are really v. friendly and non-judgemental and you would be most welcome to join! Also some posters find the accountability of posting "to do" lists in the morning and "ta da" lists in the evening quite helpful.

Link here: here

Other housekeeping tips that have helped (gleaned from Mumsnet) are "the power of three" principle ie just do three things and then reward yourself with something nice like Mnsetting or reading and "the floors/clothes/dishes" principle ie if you spend 5 or 10 mins on one or two or three of those things every day then the basics are getting done! Even five minutes of chores done intensively makes a difference!

Then spend the rest of the time doing something interesting for yourself! And that in turn will give you energy to go back to some of the boring stuff!

Finally - never, ever compare yourselves to others - we all have strengths and weakness in different areas. Those who have their Christmas cards already written may be extremely efficient and organised or they may have fed their dc ready meals for the last two weeks or their washing may be piling up or they may just really love Christmas and getting in touch with others! Whose to know? Best to focus on yourself and your own choices and priorities!

[Now I just have to follow my own advice Grin ]

HTH anyway!! Good luck!

SearedChestnut · 09/12/2015 19:55

Sorry, reading that humungous "essay" back, it seems rather patronising which was not my intention at all Blush

NameChange30 · 09/12/2015 19:58

Brilliant post, Seared! I agree with it all (well I may have skim read the housekeeping bits, sorry!)

NameChange30 · 09/12/2015 19:59

Cross post... Don't apologise for writing a brilliant post, silly! Wink

SearedChestnut · 09/12/2015 20:00

phew! Grin

SearedChestnut · 09/12/2015 20:39

forgot to mention one final point (I promise!)

are you a creative person?

This may sound a bit precious but anyone with dc knows that creativity can fly out of the window when you are rushing around after small people and some creative people just need to lock themselves away and do something like paint or sew or throw pots in order to keep themselves balanced ifyswim

Umpteen · 09/12/2015 23:52

Great post Seared, and I've found this a really useful thread, so thanks, OP.

JammingtonDodger · 10/12/2015 07:41

Sorry, was out last night and at work all day today but just wanted to say thank you so much for the last few posts - so helpful - and I will get back properly, shortly Thanks

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hefzi · 10/12/2015 13:22

Brilliant post, Seared!

I was told by our OH doctor that perfectionism and procrastination often go hand in hand, and the fear of failing or under-achieving leads to postponing things, and then extra stress as the time available is reduced etc (Not that I was asking his advice about either of those things, but anyway!)

There used to be a Procrastinators Anonymous group - I was googling it, but it seems to be defunct now: I found this pretty interesting piece though, which adds some more ideas about why we do it
jim-murdoch.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/procrastinators-anonymous.html

SearedChestnut · 10/12/2015 14:50

Thanks all!

(I am far too expert on the subject of procrastination I'm afraid Blush Grin)

MaisieDotes · 10/12/2015 14:58

I will get back properly, shortly

Grin love it.

I inherited my procrastinatory (is that a word?) tendencies from my dad, whose favourite word is "shortly".

Just to clarify- it means "not shortly" and can even sometimes mean "not ever" Grin

JammingtonDodger · 11/12/2015 07:00

Lol, Maisie! Grin Well, here I am, not that much later, at least!

SearedChestnut, thank you so much for taking the time to write that epic post, which wasn't patronising at all, honestly. A lot of what you say rang true, such as learning depressive thought patterns etc from my mother. She kind of did the opposite of instilling a work ethic into me - it was for the best reasons, though, she felt very strongly that I should kind of follow my heart and my intellectual interests ... trouble is, that rarely results in lucrative work or an organised home life, I feel. And I'm not intellectual, either! So I have kind of drifted around a bit, not knowing what I want to do and will definitely be advising my own DC to pick school subjects/uni courses etc with a view to a real job and some money, rather than doing it for the love of the subject, which might have been ok for my mum in the 1960s, but certainly isn't now.

In answer to some of your other questions: I don't think I am a perfectionist, - nor, unfortunately, am I creative. I'd love to get into silver jewellery-making or something, but I'm just not much of an ideas person. Well, I am quite musical, but I never feel justified in sitting down and playing an instrument because there's always so much to be done in the house. I never feel things are 'finished' to a standard that would allow me to relxa and take some leisure time like that. So I only really play surreptitiously, when DH is out Sad Ridiculous, I know. He's not hugely supportive, no. Well, he has no idea I feel like all THIS, of course, nor am I planning on telling him. It's my battle to fight. He wouldn't be impressed as he's so organised and industrious himself - the way I want to be. Amazingly, DS1 is turning into a little version of him and is so good at planning and doing things in advance - I noticed several wrapped and labelled Christmas presents under his bed the other day, no idea when/where he had the opportunity to buy them - he puts me to shame!

I"m happy to work 3 days and be at home 2 at the moment - I feel it's a really good balance, if I would only use my time better. I should have plenty of time on my days off to do housework, food shop etc ... AND have a nice bit of planned leisure time ... if I would just plan it properly.

Yes, I think my 'zones' housework idea came from Flylady, but she made me cringe so much that I let her fall by the wayside, which is counter-productive really as a lot of what she says makes sense. But she pissed me off by telling me to 'get dressed to my shoes' every day. Outdoor shoes? In the house?? Noooooo!

No, I really don't like the 'buzz' of a last-minute crisis, as you say - not at all. I want everything to go in a smooth, calm and unhurried manner.

I need to get to work but I will look at those links that people have sent me, too - and thanks so much again, all of you who have replied. I have actually contacted a counsellor now - an email one, as I feel it will be easier to manage - but she's not replied to me. Maybe she took one look at what I'm trying to fix and declared me a lost cause ... Shock

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NameChange30 · 11/12/2015 10:36

"He's not hugely supportive, no. Well, he has no idea I feel like all THIS, of course, nor am I planning on telling him. It's my battle to fight. He wouldn't be impressed as he's so organised and industrious himself - the way I want to be."

Hmmm, not impressed by this. Surely if you're struggling with something, you should be able to discuss it with your partner without him judging you? He should be supporting you to address it.

I'm guessing there's a lot to do when you have a house to run and children to look after. Is it realistic to get it all done in 2 days? Are there not things that you and he could do together, or things that he could do, at evenings and weekends to keep things ticking over?