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is anybody there who could just be with me now, sorry

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elementofsurprise · 07/06/2015 23:04

it's ver bad, very alone, tried to tell SO he just annoyed saying im bringing him down. i see no way out. trying to hold on, sorry, not sure what to do fel so worthless no help

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mylaptopismylapdog · 10/06/2015 19:21

IceBeing
Thank you.
You are right in thinking that there is a tendency for us to be unforgiving to ourselves in a way that we aren't to others. Also about small steps.

Element
When you start berating yourself just think, if this was mylaptop or IceBeing would I be saying these things to them?
Look back at this thread and realise all the small steps you have made since your first post. Well done.

elementofsurprise · 11/06/2015 22:55

Thank you both.

lapdog I misunderstood a bit before - when I was wondering about why don't people like us end up bumping into each other IRL... I thought you meant there were a lot of people who want to connect with others and generally to have more community mindedness, not specifically people with mental illness. You are right though, I remember the days I was less shy and it's amazing how many people have these struggles and you just wouldn't know. It's reassuring but sad to know that, isn't it?!

It's interesting what your friend said re. different kinds of illness... I wonder how much is due to the different way it gets treated by others? Eg. Asking for help with shopping was ok when I couldn't physically carry it/walk far, but asking because you feel mentally unable to go to the shop is different. Or feels different, anyway.

Also there's this whole complication with mental health where you're supposed to/expected to push yourself til you can't cope, to sort of 'prove' you're ill. By that I mean supposing someone getting my shopping meant things were that much easier that I could still smile and get other bits done. It would look like I was taking the piss! Whereas with physical health getting help so you don't push too far and end up in pain is generally more accepted. (I stupidly went bumbling off to a friend's (not close but used to be) the day of my laparoscopy, dosed up on codeine, because I could and forgot to think whether walking etc was a good idea! Paid for it!)

There's also the way people treat each other. This is difficult to explain... erm... as an example: Growing up I was told/shown I was 'crying too much' 'overreacting', needing to try harder, wrong for struggling with doing things etc. Then, as I grew up, I heard of 'depression' and 'suicide' and 'mental illness'. I found it so odd that I was a rubbish failure outcast according to one view, then once you bung the label of 'depression' on it's suddenly "Ooh, we must be kind and supportive to these people". But if that kindness and supportiveness had been there all along then quite likely I'd have not ever become unhappy enough to aquire the label. But without the label, no empathy. Argh I'm getting unstuck trying to work out wht I'm trying to say here!

IceBeing Actually people do look out for each other, and suddenly descending into incoherent babble is something that people will take for what it is - a sign that you need help and are having a serious problem.

Ah, yes, random strangers do, of course. Mental health bods like to go with "attention-seeking" or sigh loudly to show what martyrs they are for dealing with people like me. They also get cross and won't speak to me if I'm "not making sense". They take advantage of the confusion to end the appointment/assessment and bugger off, if in person, or if over the phone then tell me to phone back when calm. Not all of them, but it's not worth the risk when it could tip me over into doing something awful.

People you know in person - when aforementioned mental health bod hasn't managed to take them aside, breeched confidentiality, and told them stuff that makes them hate you - tend to not believe your problems if MH services aren't taking you seriously. It also freaks them right out when services try to palm off responsibilty onto them, or if they realise that no, services aren't going to help, so suddenly knowing you is harder. Which is a massive shame because even in the most dire mental health crisis, all I've needed is someone to talk to, to have a hug and a cup of tea and eventually a giggle. Even if things are really bad a daily dose of this will help me pull through. I don't expect anyone to make it better, but I think people find it hard to let mental illness be there, at all, and be supportive - they seem to expect to make it all disappear, and if they can't, withdraw completely.

Obvs. feeling a bit better as have written an essay Hmm oops!

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IceBeing · 11/06/2015 23:45

element Oh dear - it sounds like you have had some crap mental health bods! Breaking confidentiality is really shocking. My therapist made a comment about 'if we were recording this...(then the play back would show you blah blah)' and I totally freaked. I think because my students had suddenly taken to secretly recording me in meetings and I kinda flipped out.

So is it possible you can pay for therapy? I know it can be crazy expensive, but there is presumably a much lower chance of a private therapist trying to ditch and run?

I have to say my experience with NHS wasn't at all great. One 'session' then signed off as fine because I said I wasn't feeling suicidal that day....

But have made huge progress with a private therapist.

IceBeing · 11/06/2015 23:47

I hear what you are saying about feeling forced to act your illness. There was a fab blog post a while back about people with disabilities feeling they needed to look more ill or people thought they were putting it on.

I suppose we could make T-shirts that said 'yes I am out of bed and have clothes on and may even have brushed my hair - but I have literally nothing left over' Although it isn't very snappy and probably wouldn't fit!

IceBeing · 11/06/2015 23:51

I think 'there there don't cry , it's not that bad' may be second only to 'be good and you'll get a treat' in the list of parenting phrases that genuinely scar you for life.

The first teaches you that expressing emotion in a natural way that relieves stress is frowned upon and the second that when anything bad happens (or even if something good fails to happen it is your behaviour that is at fault.

I cringe every time anything similar comes out of my or DH's mouth.

jazzsyncopation · 12/06/2015 00:53

lapdog and icebeing.....really like your last posts

jazzsyncopation · 12/06/2015 01:07

also like op posts...lots of in-depth, thougtful and honest stuff here

mylaptopismylapdog · 12/06/2015 13:58

element and IceBeing

Sorry that I didn't post yesterday.

You have done a fabulous job expressing the difficulties between us and people who aren't subject to the illness and how being treated by people who don't get it affects us. I had 2 courses of CBT by disinterested psychologists which had no effect and left me feeling even more of a failure.

Also those messages from childhood, I was told I thought too much and nobody would like me if I didn't stop. Now I write it down wtf was my mother thinking!

The cup of tea and hug would work for me, also understanding that if I have a good day, smile or laugh it does not mean I have recovered from feeling hopeless and worthless, just that in that moment I feel the possibility of recovery.

Great job please have a cup of tea and a hug from me..

Thank you jazz syncopation.

elementofsurprise · 12/06/2015 21:52

Laptop YY to not being miraculously recovered if you smile or have a good day. Or people then thinking you're putting in on when the next day is a bad day.

You're not a failure - you know CBT stand for Complete Bullshit Therapy, don't you? Delivered by twelve years olds from naice homes who did a two-day course. It always struck me as a therapy for people who hadn't thought about anything, ever. GRR at the patient-blaming from mental health sevices. They won't see me now because apparently we can never have a working relationship because I've had such bad experiences, and the GP has been told not to refer me because I'll only be disappointed! Hmm

Hugs and Brew for you too Smile

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NotAJammyDodger · 12/06/2015 22:35

Hi Element What's wrong with being 'attention seeking' Smile. If you have a physical health problem and is doesn't get sorted then we'd be harassing the hell out out of the doctors and the health system. Just because we have mental health problems which don't get resolved doesn't make you 'attention seeking'. It really sucks what you have been through.

I didn't 'relate' Grin at all to CBT. I was a very good ''student ' and did all my homework, got an A* but it did fuck all for me emotionally.

I have found a great therapist (psychodynamic)but like another poster mentioned I also am paying privately for it.

Anyway, wishing you well on your mental health travels. Keep posting as at least you have an outlet on here to vent some frustration and share your emotions Flowers.

IceBeing · 13/06/2015 21:12

I have no resilience at the moment...got a snotting nasty email from someone at work and just cried for hours.

It doesn't help that Im a woman in science, and bursting into tears is not so much in vogue thanks to Tim Hunt!

I can sort of feel myself bouncing back slowly though...

Hope everyone else is not in too much pain today.

elementofsurprise · 14/06/2015 18:28

It doesn't help that Im a woman in science, and bursting into tears is not so much in vogue thanks to Tim Hunt!
Ha! I wasn't the only one who fumed about that then! Because crying is my number one reason for losing jobs...
It's another example of women trying/having to be like men, in order to be considered equal to men... Er, no, how about we value the traditionally feminine traits like kindness and compassion. And talking about things to debate them/sort things out, rather than the loudest arsehole getting their way...

Sorry to hear your feeling so low. At least you're not the idiot at work who sends things like that. Flowers Feel free to rant, if that helps x

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elementofsurprise · 14/06/2015 19:36

Argh! You're. Inner grammar Nazi angry!

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IceBeing · 15/06/2015 00:27

You are absolutely right about having to act male to pass....I do sometimes wonder how different my work place would be if the gender imbalance was reversed....

mylaptopismylapdog · 15/06/2015 17:52

Thank you element.
Find it ridiculous that because they weren't able to help you, they won't see you element? Apart from anything else being told that is not good when you"re depressed. No wonder the claim is made that the police and other services are more help when it comes to mental distress.

Makes me think that perhaps the answer may be that they should be able to give some sort of voucher/budget to find a therapist you can work with, probably a pipe dream but would make more sense.

The last couple of times I have paid and have found it helpful mainly because the therapists were really engaged.

On crying IceBeing with any luck the outcry against Tim Hunt has pushed the balance in the right direction. You are right element surely on work environments need both male and female perspectives/behaviours as the the world is composed of both sexes. If anybody/everybody cries along the way does it really matter? If we ban crying will we have to ban laughing.
IceBeing glad to hear that you are beginning to see some positive signs, hope that continues.

IceBeing · 18/06/2015 15:02

Hope everyone is doing okay at the moment.

elementofsurprise · 18/06/2015 16:38

I had my coil taken out which already seems to have helped... How are you, IceBeing?

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mylaptopismylapdog · 18/06/2015 23:29

That's brilliant to hear element hope it continues.
Hope you are okay too IceBeing.
I am okay just feeling a bit out of kilter but I always do at this time of year think it is partly to do with hay fever.

IceBeing · 21/06/2015 14:35

I am feeling a lot better today. When I was feeling well I volunteered to sing a solo with my choir...then I lost my confidence again and all but quit because I couldn't imagine standing up in front of people and singing...

Well it was the concert yesterday and I did it! I think it was okay but the big thing was turning up and actually getting any noise out at all.

Now I feel comatose with the stress dissolving ...but happy I think.

Glad the coil extraction is done! Hopefully things will keep improving!

mylaptopismylapdog · 21/06/2015 23:52

Well done IceBeing. I went to the theatre on my own for the first time last night and really enjoyed it, not quite the level of your courage but I am happy because I managed not to feel self concious and awkward.
Hope things are still moving in a more positive direction element.

IceBeing · 22/06/2015 14:42

mylaptop oh it is definitely the same level of courage to get out when you are afraid to. I have had a harder time and required more courage to get out of bed then it took to sing at the weekend! All a matter of perspective and where your head is at....

So good for you!

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