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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

BSD and Fast800 support thread #17

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 06/01/2020 10:51

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers, plus those following the Fast800 plan. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD/fast 800 is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
Fast800: follow the plan above, sticking to 800 calories every day for 2 weeks. Ideal to give your weightloss a real kick start, plus improve your insulin function and reduce your sugar cravings.
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint or 2 weeks of Fast800, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

You can stop 800 calorie days at any time once you achieve your goal. It’s advised to limit yourself to 12 weeks maximum at 800 calorie days, but you should get excellent results in 8 weeks. Depending on your weightloss goals, you can do further ‘rounds’ of either the 8 week BSD or the Fast800.

Time restricted eating/TRE :
In addition to the fast800/ BSD plan you can incorporate a strategy of time restricted eating. Put simply, this means only eating between certain times each day to maximise your fasting time. TRE has shown to have positive results for weightloss, even if there is no calorie restriction, and increases insulin sensitivity/reduces insulin resistance. At first, try for a clear 12 hours without food each 24 hours, increasing to 16:8 as you get more adept at fasting.

Some useful links:

previous thread

Meal planning ideas thread
Blood sugar diet recipe thread and menu planner meal planning thread

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=healthyeater.com/important-tool-weight-loss" target="_blank">TDEE calculator to calculate your daily calorie requirement

information about the ‘whoosh’ phenomenon

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Gjem · 08/01/2020 08:15

@thenewaveragebear1983 thanks! Just making the most of my little one having a lie in and looking at breakfast ideas for this week. I’ve been having overnight oats with Greek yogurt but want to mix it up a bit.

Well done! I can only dream of being 10.9!!

Colourmylife1 · 08/01/2020 08:30

@CaptainBrickbeard @Gjem Brilliant results! It really motivates you, doesn’t it? I like the BSD recipe book too but I don’t always rely on the calories counts as I think they can be a bit off - partly since some of the measures are a bit vague. I love the Piri Piri Chicken. I’ll be trying @thenewaveragebear1983’s chicken recipe too.

PhoenixMama · 08/01/2020 08:46

I really like the BSD cookbook. Make the korma every other week, love the cauliflower cheese (with jalapenos!), Lentil stuffed peppers, etc. Usually make 2-3 things a week from it. I also love the Jamie Oliver 5 Ingredients cookbook - the sausage, apple & parsnip dish is devine! For the most part it's a recipe + a suggestion of carbs so it's easy to just add more leafy green veg or cauli rice, etc.

Down another 0.5lb! Also as I was changing for yoga DD said my tummy was 'definitely smaller' and she's right 2 whole inches gone off my belly, taking me back to where I was when I stopped Fast800 in July! Result! 12lbs from goal (although I totally know how much harder it gets as the amount you have to lose gets smaller!)

PhoenixMama · 08/01/2020 08:47

Xposts!

Well done @thenewaveragebear1983 @Gjem & @CaptainBrickbeard

thenewaveragebear1983 · 08/01/2020 10:40

@Gjem I've been making shakes this week and I'm really enjoying them for brunch. I make a shot of strong green tea and soak 1tbsp chia seeds in it, then add the chia 'gloop' to 50g frozen berries, 100 ml milk, 1tbsp olive oil, and a spoon of peanut butter powder. It works out at 300 cals so is a full meal replacement. You can add spinach/cucumber or other veg to it as well. As it's high in fibre and fat it is really keeping me going until the afternoon.

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Youhavewonaprize · 08/01/2020 14:06

Well done to everyone on weight loss this week! One week in and I’m down 3.9kg which is great. Have lost 0.2kg each day for the last 3 days so suspect this is how the rest of the time will pan out. If that continues the next 3 weeks I’ll have lost just over 8kg in a month! And if that continues for the next 4 weeks then that would be nearly 14kg over 8 weeks and practically my goal. Although I expect the losses slow down as your body gets used to the lower cals?

@PhoenixMama thanks for the korma recipe. Have you put the cals into mfp? I can’t seem to get it any lower than about 450 per portion, and that’s by reducing the oil to 1/2 a tbsp. Am I missing a trick somewhere?

Am making a version of Jamie’s peanut chicken with squash for tea today.
Just had a snack of egg mayo on cucumber slices and was very tasty for only 110 cals.

PhoenixMama · 08/01/2020 14:28

@Youhavewonaprize I put it into mine (I enter all the recipes because the book is off a lot) and I got 340! I sometimes get random ingredients that are off - like garlic at 88 cals a clove, could it be that?

Youhavewonaprize · 08/01/2020 15:33

@phoenixmama This is what I’ve got (don’t bother counting the spices) it’s the coconut milk that’s wiping me out. Maybe I need light coconut milk instead? (I tried regular coconut milk and coconut cream and both were pretty similar). I’ve just gone for a 3/4 portion of this and DH can have a bigger one!

BSD and Fast800 support thread #17
PhoenixMama · 08/01/2020 15:47

@Youhavewonaprize That's because you've selected coconut cream instead of coconut milk! Grin

PhoenixMama · 08/01/2020 15:48

The recipe is for coconut milk (in a can, cream usually comes in sachets!)

thenewaveragebear1983 · 08/01/2020 16:30

The calorie counts on the earlier books are notoriously incorrect unfortunately, so I would always recommend to check.

Coconut milk is mega calories though!

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Moknicker · 08/01/2020 17:37

Congratulations to everyone on the great weight loss.

Im down a kilo since yesterday. I know its only water weight etc etc and will slow but still feeling ridiculously over excited.

I tried Dr Mosleys asparagus and poached eggs yesterday which was great.

I have high cholesterol so am tweaking the diet to avoid saturated fats and replacing with more low sugar fruits (avoiding the bananas).

Im nervous about the weekend which is when i typically fall off the wagon.

Youhavewonaprize · 08/01/2020 17:44

Thanks bear and phoenix I think it is the coconut - milk comes out worse than the cream (200ml vs 160ml). I think the light version would help but I refuse to buy it on principle when it’s just watered down full fat coconut milk!-

MozzchopsThirty · 08/01/2020 18:10

I'm the dreaded day 3 today
I have a cold and could murder some digestives dunked in tea 🙊🙊

FluffyEarMuffs · 08/01/2020 18:30

Evening all 👋🏻

Well I had a tiny bit of a disappointing weigh in this morning. Two days ago, I had lost 7lb. Yesterday, I gained one back and today another one.

I KNOW 5lb is still a great weight loss for the first week. I know it is. I just wish, especially after I felt so crappy yesterday, that I hadn't gone backwards a teeny bit, even if it was just water weight! Irrational and unreasonable, I know 😁

The bloody annoying thing is that my DH has been eating normally all week. All he has done is cut out beer. And he lost 5lbs too 🙄

Anyway, it inspired me to stick with the plan today and despite not being able to make any meals at home, I have eaten okay. A boiled egg and salad for lunch, and a grilled chicken and bacon salad for dinner.

I had some new herbal teas delivered, and I am trying to enjoy those at work 😊 I gave away four very nice Scottish shortbreads I had in a tin in my desk from a Christmas present, and filled the empty tin with tea bags instead!

Tomorrow, I will see what the scales say. Hopefully it'll be tipping back in the right direction again.

Kimlek · 08/01/2020 19:37

Well done giving up your shortbreads fluffy - bloody luuurrrve them!!

Sorry for not getting around to adding fave recipes. Will try tomorrow.

pheonix how’s your new hairdo?

I’m not losing as much as I’d like but maybe it’s because I’m using sweet potatoes rather than cauliflower as segregate pointed out - no idea how I managed to do that! Told you these contacts are rubbish!

Had a leftover portion of the sinful cottage pie with sweet pot topping for lunch.
I made the Courgetti Putanesca for dinner; everyone else had the puttanesca sauce with penne. Amazingly yummy and the kids thought so too (I didn’t mention the anchovies until after they’d eaten it).
Did an hour’s dog walk and a bit of tennis. Drinking more water and spiced teas. Feeling tired and so need an early night. Hoping to wake up with some weight off but feeling a bit tubby so I thinknit could still be static.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 08/01/2020 19:39

Day 3 here too, and I have struggled a bit also. Aside from a stressful day at work (I work for the most disorganised establishment ever, found out today that my hourly rate is £6 less than I thought, and because I've had no contract in 5 weeks since taking this class on, I had no idea) I have just hit the day 3 wall. I wanted to run but didn't, now tomorrow I hoped to go - but now we have a leak in the bathroom so a plumber is coming out in the morning! Just feel very frustrated with life and could quite easily find my way into the biscuit tin!

But anyway- food was good.
Tomorrow: hopefully will get out for a run, lunch will be Tuna and avocado and dinner will be spicy chicken!

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MozzchopsThirty · 08/01/2020 19:45

@thenewaveragebear1983 I feel your pain

My cold and work situation are leading me to the alcohol fridge and the biscuit cupboard

I'm going to bed now before I eat anything!!!

Can anyone link to the putanrsca sauce??? Need inspiration other than casseroles and chicken with veg

mumtumdocare · 08/01/2020 20:36

Fell off the wagon spectacularly last night. Chinese take away and wine. Then cheesecake today. Destined to be a wobbly blob forever I think! I jest. Determined to sort my shit out now folks.

That starts with meal planning every single meal for the next week so I can't panic and eat everything in sight.

QUICK MEAL PLAN/INSPIRATION required please! Have 3 young kids and work stupidly long day & night shifts so the quicker and easier the better! TIA.

MozzchopsThirty · 08/01/2020 20:58

It's very boring but I do a lot in the slow cooker although the kids hate it

They will eat chicken fillets with bbq sauce in the slow cooker and have theirs with chips

Roast chicken, sweet potato wedges & salsa
Chicken casserole loads of veg
Salmon & stir fried veg
Chicken curry (mine with broccoli)
Bolognese with courgettie
Poached eggs, smoked salmon & asparagus

HTH Smile

mumtumdocare · 08/01/2020 21:11

@mozzchopsthirty Fab thank you, great ideas there. We all love spag bol and salmon stir fry is a winner thank you!

mumtumdocare · 08/01/2020 21:15

@bear & @youhavewonaprize thank you for the protein tips, didn't even know PNB powder was a thing!

Doubleyouexwhyandzed · 09/01/2020 06:54

Arghhh I’ve stuck to my 800, less than 50g carbs and exercising too. Day 8 today. Dropped 5lb in first five days but the last three have stayed the same.
How can I be staying the same?!

Kimlek · 09/01/2020 07:06

Agh! Still the same weight for the 4th day in a row! This is day 9. I’m trying to work out why it’s so incredibly slow. I batch cook so maybe I’m not getting portions correct. MFP weights are sometimes cups or ounces and I’m all metric so have to guess... so maybe that’s whats out BUT even so I’m eating way less than usual, no booze at all and doing a bit more.
mozzchops the puttanesca is in the BSD recipe book but for 2 people it’s - gently fry garlic clove with 4 anchovies, (I used a massive dollop of garlic paste), as it fries squish the anchovies in to make a paste, (add chilli flakes, I didn’t but would be better with) add half a tin chopped toms, then 100g olives. Tah dah!!!

Kimlek · 09/01/2020 07:11

@Doubleyouexwhyandzed - sounds like me! According to MFP I’ve been either just under 800 or a bit over and carbs always less than 50g. I’ve been 11st 10 for 4 days! I started 8 days ago at 11st 12 so it’s 2lbs in 8 days!!! Rubbish!!

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