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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet and Fast800 thread 15

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 23/05/2019 07:34

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers, plus those following the Fast800 plan. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD/fast 800 is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
Fast800: follow the plan above, sticking to 800 calories every day for 2 weeks. Ideal to give your weightloss a real kick start, plus improve your insulin function and reduce your sugar cravings.
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint or 2 weeks of Fast800, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

You can stop 800 calorie days at any time once you achieve your goal. It’s advised to limit yourself to 12 weeks maximum at 800 calorie days, but you should get excellent results in 8 weeks. Depending on your weightloss goals, you can do further ‘rounds’ of either the 8 week BSD or the Fast800.

Some useful links:

Previous thread

Blood Sugar Diet and Fast800 thread 14 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/3532374-blood-sugar-diet-and-fast800-thread-14

Meal planning ideas thread
Blood sugar diet recipe thread and menu planner meal planning thread

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=healthyeater.com/important-tool-weight-loss" target="_blank">TDEE calculator to calculate your daily calorie requirement

information about the ‘whoosh’ phenomenon

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teta · 05/06/2019 09:44

I'm back down to the weight I was before half term.i want to lose 8 pounds this month and another 4 pounds over the two weeks in July. We're going on a long Asian holiday and it will be very hot and humid for several weeks .Hence the lighter I am the better. Plus I'm so over looking like a fat squished tomato ! I'm going to try and swim as much as possible on holiday plus we always do lots of walking .

purplespring · 05/06/2019 16:14

Hello everyone 👋

I’m back from my hols. Had an amazing time.

I’ve put on 5.5lb in the 12 days I’ve been away. I actually am quite pleased with that considering I’ve ate ice cream every day, pastry for breakfast, bread with dinner, wine etc. I walked loads so I think it would have much worse if I hadn’t.

Ironically my favourite meal of the trip was tuna steak with vegetables - on plan! I will definitely be attempting to recreate it at home.

I got home late last night and have been in work since early this morning so have just had to cobble together a reasonable lunch from M&S. Haven’t really drank enough yet as it has been so busy but will try to get 3 litres in before bed tonight.

I feel really enthusiastic about getting back on it. Next holiday is in 6 weeks and I hope to see a 14stone on the scales by then. That means I need to lose 1 stone 2lb, ideally I’d like to lose 1stone 5.5lbs.

I feel confident that this can be my way of life now, with breaks for holidays and Christmas.

Plan on aiming for at least 10000 steps a day from now and introducing some HIIT so that should help me reach my next goal.

I will catch up with the thread properly when I’m at home later, hope everyone is well.

Justalittlebitfurther · 05/06/2019 17:37

Thanks for the replies, I’m feeling better than yesterday so hopefully it is just me adjusting to the plan. I had a green smoothie from the book this morning, but I just hated it. So in the end I made myself another breakfast. I also weighed myself this morning and I have lost 6lbs since Saturday so that helped spur me on. I know some of it will be water but still it made me feel like my efforts are worth it. 😊 it’s been really interesting reading the posts on here. Especially about holidays and getting back on plan!

PhoenixMama · 05/06/2019 18:55

Hi all. Thanks for your lovely thoughts. The funeral was tough, I wish no parent ever had to go through that. Day was obviously a write off but I was back to my lowest weight this morning. Given the off plan days, amount of booze in the last week & I have my period I'll take it.

Slightly over today as I've been emotional eating (think everything over the last few months is catching up!) But not totally off plan.

I want to lose 6lbs this month so I need to go back to being super strict & planning everything. I should be good tomorrow but Fri/sat/sun will be tougher! Ugh! Must. Stay. On. Track.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 06/06/2019 08:05

Phoenix Thanks

So despite a bit of a sketchy start I am apparent 4lbs down this morning, which is almost my holiday bloat gone. Although I was already 2lbs up before I left to go away, so still a few to go. Miller and carter for our meal last night was decidedly average actually- they do huge 'wedge salads' but what they are is just a 1/4 wedge of iceberg lettuce with dressings on, and iceberg is definitely the wateriest and most boring of the leafies. I had a salad with a piece of baked salmon, but then I did share a dessert with dd and I also had 2 fevertree light (grrrr, you all know my feelings about posh wanky tonics and their fructose content!)

So anyway, the upshot of that is that I've now had three days where I've kept almost to plan, and seem to have shed the water retention which is good. Weekend looming ahead and I'm actually looking forward to not drinking because I think it gives me a better chance of sticking to plan throughout. Today: working this morning and I am invigilating gcse maths so I need to eat something small else my stomach will be growling away throughout the exam. The other day I swear one kid looked up at me like Hmmwhen he heard my stomach grumble; lunch will be a nice salad with tuna and antipasti and feta cheese; dinner is pork steaks In balsamic with veg/salad. Or maybe pea mash? No run today although I might do c25k with dd later if she wants to.

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teta · 06/06/2019 10:32

I'm two pounds down today which I'm really happy about. I made a big Malaysian beef curry with aubergine, baby corn and a tin of coconut milk last night. It was very tasty but I had it with cauli rice - nearly a whole small Cauliflower ( as I was really hungry) and had really bad tummy ache afterwards.
Phoenixmama your day yesterday sounds heartbreaking - poor parents. Purple spring you are sounding so positive.
Justalittle wow!

FurForksSake · 06/06/2019 10:35

I fell off the wagon on Tuesday, we exchanged on our new house after a very stressful couple of months. We celebrated with a tonne of pizza. Which I then had two more slices of and two chocolate wafer biscuits yesterday. But, that was all I ate yesterday so wasn't qutite so bad and I was back down to 11st4 this morning (11st8 yesterday morning!). But, I am tired and hungry due to not enough protein.

Halloumi salad for lunch and fajita (no wraps) and salad for dinner.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 06/06/2019 11:53

Had a bit of a shock yesterday. Hubby bought some new scales - weighed myself and I’m apparently 2 stone overweight! Sad No idea how that happened and I don’t think I look that much overweight. Going to have to up my game - was moving to a 4:3 fasting pattern but may need to keep up with the 800 cals per day.

It’s feeling like such a hurdle now... I was quite positive when I thought I only had a stone to lose.

FurForksSake · 06/06/2019 12:50

Broke my fast (20hrs) with this bad boy, halloumi and red pepper salad. I put lemon juice and chilli flakes on it, it was amazing!

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FurForksSake · 06/06/2019 12:51

I wouldn't put too much power on the scales, yes you're a bit further away that you thought, but it isn't insummountable and this is eating for life so even if you'd lost a stone you'd still eat like this just slightly more.

Laniakea · 06/06/2019 14:13

3lbs down at the end of second week (lost 5 in week one I think) - I’m 6lbs away from losing all the weight I put on in my 40s so that my next goal :) (then I have to tackle the lots of pregnancies weight that I put on in my 30s!).

MelanieCheeks · 06/06/2019 17:59

Darn it1 Was going to make Jamie's 5 ingredient lemon sole tonight (300 clas). Fishmonger didn't have any lemon sole, so I made a last minute substitution to mackerel. And I've just checked that the calorie counts are more than double for the sole! I shall console myself that it's healthy fats, and a sustainable fish.

Maccalenny · 06/06/2019 19:10

The thread moves so fast! I’ve not had chance to catch up this week. Welcome back purple, glad the holiday was good.
phoenix - you are really strong, you can do this.
bear - same problem with invigilation! I skipped breakfast because I was setting up then was starving.
teta- great loss, and the curry sounds good too. I’d never think to buy baby corn....are they ok for calories? I’m really trying to love aubergine but am failing. Tastes like shoe leather when I cook it.
furforks halloumi salad looks gorgeous.

Ohyesiam · 06/06/2019 20:44

boldlygoingsomewhere , what a shock! That would really throw me, you have all my sympathy. I guess it’s onward and upward.
Mind you if you think you look ok that counts for a lot x

boldlygoingsomewhere · 06/06/2019 20:53

Thank you, ohyesiam! It might just be that our old scales were not working properly but it’s quite a difference!

FurForksSake, your haloumi salad looks amazing! I love haloumi and would happily eat it every day. Smile

thenewaveragebear1983 · 06/06/2019 21:23

Just had a bit of a binge out on the remains of ds's birthday cake and lots of chocolate. I don't even know why, it's so annoying. I haven't binged in weeks so it took me by surprise a bit. I think I'm just a bit hormonal/tired but ended up resorting to sugar and now feel really rubbish and frustrated. Despite hoping to be sugar free from this week, I've had something sweet every day, culminating in this today. I really should have just binned the cake!!

Oh well. Tomorrow is a new day. Dh is watching to football so I might just go to bed early and get a bit of extra sleep!

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PhoenixMama · 07/06/2019 08:16

TGIF ladies!!!

@Boldly I had a similar shock with new scales but sticking with the plan definitely had things moving again in no time so hang in there.

@Melanie It's so annoying when that happens, also happens with the BSD cookbook when you enter the recipes in MFP they can be 100 cals more which is so annoying!

@Bear I hear you, last night I sought out and had a couple of finger -fulls of icing for a cake I'm making for the school fair, no need for it at all but there we go.

Weighed in this morning 1lb down, which is after I lost the weight of not counting anything last week. That says I'm now going into another crazy weekend so don't think it will stay like this for long. At least it's a new number to get back to!

purplespring · 07/06/2019 11:29

I've just had a chance to read through the first couple of pages of this new thread.

Maccalenny - wow big achievement throwing away clothes, that's a really positive step. Your weightless progress is amazing.

laughsandgiggles - sounds like you've done so well. I can relate to the feeling of being a bit shocked at yourself that you've stuck to the plan and that its working so well, I feel similarly although I've still got a good way to go

starjasmine I am in a similar position re. history of weight and never having been a 'normal weight'. I had my daughter as a teenager, I had a BMI of 26 at my booking appointment and was a slim size 12 (I looked good). I didn't put on much weight in pregnancy but have just gained and gained and gained since. If I'm honest a lot of it has been linked with my emotional wellbeing. To the outside I have 'done well'. I have a good job and a nice lifestyle, my daughter is clever and confident and doing very well at school (oh and she's a healthy weight). My weight is the one area I've struggled to control. I've actually also gained some height since my booking appointment so getting back to a BMI of 26 would be a slightly heavier weight than it was then. I'm currently at 33.3 and would have to lose another 3 and a bit stone to get to 26.something. I'm aiming for another 2 stone this year and will see how I feel then. I'm sure it will be so much better than I did at the start of the year and I might actually be happy to maintain there, or maybe not.

Lndnmummy I'm so sorry to hear about your cousin. You've had some good advice from the others about your blood results, knowledge is power, now that you know you can take steps to improve your health and actually you've already started.

Thats as far as I've got sorry!

purplespring · 07/06/2019 11:37

Well I'm failing miserably at the 10,000 steps a day so far, I achieved it on Wednesday, always do at work, but think I only managed about 1500 yesterday and today isn't looking much better. I enjoyed all of the walking on holiday but there's nowhere particularly nice to walk around where I live so it just seems tedious. That said if the rain holds off I will see if I can convince dd to come out with me after school. Also haven't started any HIIT yet and it will probably be this time next week before I do due to a mix of days and night over the next week. Hmm.

In better news the scales say I've lost 4.25lbs of the 5.5lbs I gained on holiday which is amazing!

Just going to get on with some meal planning and then go to Aldi soon.

Ohyesiam · 07/06/2019 17:13

Hello everyone,
I would like to ask you a favour.
Can you please be a witness to something i want to commit to?

It’s my birthday on Monday, and I could happily forget it, but various loved ones would feel short changed.
So I’m going out for lunch on Saturday, and I’m going off plan. I want to be on plan the rest of the day, because it feels good to have brackets round it.
Monday I’ll have an on plan but over calorie dinner ( deliciously Ella’s pad Thai, My favourite meal) then my kids have been whispering about making me a birthday cake. I’m going to quietly request a small one so it’s not hanging around all week, and I want one large slice, with a glass of bubbly, then back on plan Tuesday.

Thank you in advance

X

thenewaveragebear1983 · 07/06/2019 18:57

Ohyes consider it witnessed! I think that's a good plan; you've allowed yourself a bit of treat, but haven't resigned yourself to the whole day weekend being a total write off.

I'm having a tough time at the moment, I'm struggling to get back off the sugar. Assembled sweet cones for ds's party today, after a brilliant day on plan, but then ended up snaffling a few leftover sweets, then started rooting around looking for anything sweet or carby I could lay my hands on. Ended up having a few biccies and a piece of tiger bread 🤦‍♀️ just can't seem to snap out of it. I did then however put my trainers on and went for a run in the cold and rain, despite it being an official rest day, although that actually felt a bit unhealthy, as if I was punishing myself. Which I guess I sort of was, but it's something I would ideally refrain from doing.

This is our first weekend of not drinking in a long time, so I'm feeling quite optimistic about that. We're having lamb steaks with salad for dinner, with a bit of Greek yog and berries for a little pudding afterwards.

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Maccalenny · 07/06/2019 20:28

ohyes - sounds like a good compromise.

Bear your dinner sounds nice. With an alcohol-free weekend you may be able to get back in charge of the sugar monster.

Ohyesiam · 07/06/2019 21:52

Hope you get the sugar monster back on the box, it’s such a horrible feeling , you have my sympathy. Are you pre menstrual? It’s soooo hard then. I’ve spent so much of my life longing to come on so I won’t feel hormonal and driven by food cravings.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 07/06/2019 22:13

Ohyes I'm not, but I do feel like I'm coming down with a sore throat. I've noticed that viruses do seem to make me quite insulin resistant and therefore I experience cravings worse than normal. Hopefully it won't come to anything and I'll be ok tomorrow!

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boldlygoingsomewhere · 08/06/2019 06:37

ohyes, that sounds like a brilliant way to approach it.

bear, you have my sympathy. Those carb cravings are so hard - bread really is my gateway drug. I’ve learnt the hard way that I have to limit it. Dinner sounds delicious!

Thanks to recommendations on this thread, I’ve got the Happy Scale app. It’s weirdly fascinating seeing how much my weight fluctuates in a daily basis.

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