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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet and Fast800 thread 15

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 23/05/2019 07:34

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers, plus those following the Fast800 plan. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD/fast 800 is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
Fast800: follow the plan above, sticking to 800 calories every day for 2 weeks. Ideal to give your weightloss a real kick start, plus improve your insulin function and reduce your sugar cravings.
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint or 2 weeks of Fast800, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

You can stop 800 calorie days at any time once you achieve your goal. It’s advised to limit yourself to 12 weeks maximum at 800 calorie days, but you should get excellent results in 8 weeks. Depending on your weightloss goals, you can do further ‘rounds’ of either the 8 week BSD or the Fast800.

Some useful links:

Previous thread

Blood Sugar Diet and Fast800 thread 14 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/3532374-blood-sugar-diet-and-fast800-thread-14

Meal planning ideas thread
Blood sugar diet recipe thread and menu planner meal planning thread

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=healthyeater.com/important-tool-weight-loss" target="_blank">TDEE calculator to calculate your daily calorie requirement

information about the ‘whoosh’ phenomenon

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Maccalenny · 20/08/2019 21:02

Mazig the fat and protein help you to feel full. If you eat dairy, a bit of cheese or natural yoghurt can be great to take the edge off your hunger.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 20/08/2019 21:04

Not such a brilliant day for me today- I basically started eating too early and graded all day in a combination of boredom and carb cravings (after a good day yesterday but not quite through the detox). I'm closing up the kitchen on 1600 cals (not too terrible as I aim for 14-1500), 70g carbs, 15 steps (inc a run, a walk and a circuits class).

Tomorrow- must try harder to keep to the timed eating a bit longer. It never bodes well for me to start early. It's my rest day from running so hopefully I won't be so hungry and rattling round the th

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 20/08/2019 21:10

Dunno what happened there!

Rattling around the kitchen...

Should be an ok day tomorrow provided I stick to the plan because we are having a picnic lunch and then are out all afternoon and away from temptation so if I can control myself til lunch I should be ok!!

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Mazig · 20/08/2019 22:02

I just about managed to eat dinner and then stop. Had some peanuts and an almond milk coffee but all weighted. I finished on 766 calories and 34g of carbs.

My worry was that the fat seemed too high and protein too low. But maybe I will not worry yet and will focus just on calories and carbs.

Bear - thats so easily done. I definitely think the longer you wait the better. It’s once I start eating I find I seem the hungriest.

PhoenixMama · 20/08/2019 23:32

Well I had a burger & 3 glasses of rose tonight but it massively listed my spirits so screw it. Life is more than a diet!

(That said I ate "breakfast" - 2 eggs & a free from crumpet - at 10 and only had cavelo Nero, mushrooms & garlic for lunch).

thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/08/2019 06:58

*Mazig
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protein calculator

As a rule of thumb you need approx 0.6-0.8g protein per pound of body weight, so for me that's around 85-115g a day. My problem is usually the opposite, I eat too much protein and often it's not the best quality (as it is difficult to find snack foods that are low carb, and protein is expensive, and I don't eat dairy anymore which was my main snack source). We don't use protein for fuel, only for growth and repair, so provided you are eating enough for that then you should be ok (assuming you're not a body builder or other elite endurance athlete!)- and it's ok to eat plenty of fat. The other problem I find with this is that while carbs and protein are palatable on their own, fat isn't, so the tricky bit for me is integrating fat into my food right from the start of my day (and again, no dairy makes this a bit challenging) - eg, adding oil, eating olives, oily fish, nuts, avocado, mayonnaise. If like me you're a lifelong 'slimming club dieter', then the idea of fat can be a bit scary, and my main fat sources historically have been junk food, so actually finding and integrating truly healthy fat sources and allowing myself to enjoy them definitely was a steep learning curve.

My advice would be to try not to worry too much about the macros - be aware of them, monitor the carbs, and let the others take care of themselves but keep an eye on how you feel because that could mean you need to do some adjusting later on.

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lasttimeround · 21/08/2019 07:42

Down a pound, I'm just a bit above the 70kg barrier. I've also dipped below 35% bodyfat on my scale. I'd really like to get that regularly below 30% as an immediate goal.
Had lunch out yesterday. No carb free options but had chicken with a cauliflower and quinoa salad. I think that's fine but when I'm in full on diet mindset I want to weigh and measure everything. Not actually helpful as I cant keep it up and find it depressing long term.
Same with macros: in my experience it's part of the sweating the small stuff that is effective and feels satisfying initially but, for me at least, leads to impatience and irritation and then I cant keep it up. I try to focus on healthy fat and healthy protein rather than the numbers. So less butter, more olive oil. Less (ideally no) processed meat.

PhoenixMama · 21/08/2019 11:08

Well I'm back down to my lowest weight so far, which is great but I've yoyo'd so much from this place I'm not convinced I'll go further but let's see!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/08/2019 11:24

Ok so here's stage one of my sauerkraut experiment! I've only done a v small quantity, about half a head of cabbage and a bulb of fennel, very finely sliced. Add about 2 teaspoons of salt and rub it into the sliced cabbage. I've used a cabbage leaf as an air seal with a small jar of water on top to press it down, in theory within 1-2 days it will have released enough water to be in its own brine and then I can remove the cabbage leaf seal. Then leave in a cool dark room to ferment, then refrigerate once its to your taste. Apparently it's foolproof as its always edible, so no accidental poisoning. I remain to be convinced.

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Maccalenny · 21/08/2019 14:19

Bear love your experiment...i have to admit, when I’ve thought about making it, the worry about accidental poisoning has put me off! It’s good to know that it’s not going to happen.

Well done Last and Phoenix.

The protein calculator was really useful Bear, I’ve never worked it out before. My lowest should be 70g apparently, as I’m bone idle in exercise terms. I’m often a bit lower than that, and for some reason I thought 50g was about right for me, so good to know I can up it a bit. Thank you.

Riddleofthesands · 21/08/2019 15:59

Hi all, dreadful couple of days for me and have regained 3 lbs. I just got horribly overwhelmed with a few things going on here. DH and I had takeaway Indian, naan bread and a lot of wine the last couple of nights.

Corny as it sounds I am writing a to do list so I feel more in control of things. Felt incredibly unwell this morning so am back on it. Lemon sole and veg for dinner. Couldn’t face breakfast/lunch.

Maccalenny · 21/08/2019 18:11

Riddle it sounds you are coping with a tough time well. Enjoy the lemon sole and the to-do list - always a good thing!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/08/2019 18:44

Closing the kitchen today on 1300 cals, 45g carbs, 11k steps (no run today)
My meals were really good, a ham salad for lunch and dinner was lamb meatballs and a smoky Bolognese sauce with salad. I'm really enjoying my salad at the moment, the sauerkraut/mayo combo is the perfect blend of salt/creaminess and I bought some salad topper seed mix for a bit of texture. I do love a good salad. I did stick as planned to my two meals, held out til 12 for lunch and was starving by 5.30 as I'd not find my usual nibbling all afternoon. It makes me realise how often I do just nibble mindlessly, I never normally feel that really empty hungry feeling. I did have a nectarine and a few strawberries after my dinner which has bumped the carbs up a bit.

Tomorrow, day out at a castle so I will run in the morning before we go, then it will be lots of walking , picnic lunch. and dinner will be chicken wrapped in Parma ham with asparagus. Like today, provided I actually do it it should be a good day!

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Maccalenny · 21/08/2019 19:35

I’ve finished around 1000 cal for the last two days. I’ve cut out the snacking that had crept in, so it has just been meals that have been a bit over. I thought I might feel hungry again, as I had got into the snacking habit again, but I haven’t really - maybe because I had kept carbs fairly low over my ‘break’.

Busy day tomorrow, fitting in lots of appointments before imminent return to work. At least one meal will be whilst out....might just be a handful of almonds as I haven’t planned well this week. Next week will be better!

Cuppatea14 · 21/08/2019 20:22

Day 3 here, surviving so far but had my first really bad cravings today. Couldn’t get the thoughts of lovely ridge-cut crisps (washed down with a nice glass of red preferably) out my head. I think I am more or less coming in at 800cals, dinner is hard to measure as I just have whatever I am coming the kids, minus the carbs and plus the salad. Today was chicken & chorizo cooked in onions and tomato, I tried not to be greedy with the chorizo :) I’m confused with extra virgin olive oil on my salad, so I count it or is it a freebie because it’s a ‘good fat’? Could have sworn the book said not to worry but could be wishful thinking.

Cuppatea14 · 21/08/2019 20:23

Sorry for the multiple typos, can I blame the hunger?!?

thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/08/2019 21:16

Cuppa do you have a tracking app and kitchen scales? I'd be weighing everything but especially the calorie dense stuff (mayo, cheese, yoghurt, oil, meat etc) in the first few weeks if you are aiming to limit to 800 calories. If you are doing the med style but not counting, it still does help to have some control on portions, so use a spoon for oil not just pour it, matchbox sized piece of cheese, deck of cards sized piece of meat etc. It can be very eye opening, especially things like steak or chicken, a typical 'portion' from a supermarket can be double or more what a typical weight portion is listed on a tracking app.

Have just seen the thread total is nearing 1k so I'll set the new one up ASAP

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/08/2019 21:27

Blood sugar diet and fast800 thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/3671814-blood-sugar-diet-and-fast800-thread-16

New thread

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 22/08/2019 08:39

The obligatory 'fill up the thread' memes...

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 22/08/2019 08:46

some low carb snack ideas

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 22/08/2019 08:50

Insulin resistance and lack of sleep

article here

podcast about sleep which discusses insulin resistance

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Maccalenny · 22/08/2019 16:42

Why I do my shopping online...

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Maccalenny · 22/08/2019 16:47

I know we are not doing keto particularly, but the only thing a lot of people know of low carb is the diabetic ketoacidosis, so it make me laugh!

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Feelingfortyisntfun · 24/08/2019 10:34

On the subject of bread (sorry to jump in), I had started to reintroduce breads with rye - a sandwich here and there (in the fast800) one of the recipes is avocado on rye sourbread. At first it was a few low kcal lunches, but yesterday full blown bread binge. Even wholegrain.

Lack of sleep yesterday and started breakfast (have been finding skipping bf helps) but bread what is it about it that seems to cause me to go crazy. Is it just really yum it can’t push blood glucose up that much of it’s a small amount. My husband does not get it and says how can I eat loads of the heavy stodgy stuff... I’m wondering whether I need to ban it from my life Confused

Does anyone else have any thoughts on bread?

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